I thought it would be funny to make a joke site with this idea (even grabbed sadsingles.com a few days ago for it) - it's interesting someone is actually trying it.
The dating situation is so bad for single men in their early to mid twenties on the west coast that I'm starting to think it's worth bailing on the area entirely and moving to NYC just for that purpose. (Palo Alto has got to be magnitudes worse than SF which is still pretty bad).
At first it looked like the situation in NYC was even worse for women with the 150k vs. 50k difference, but the population of NYC is 8.2million where SF is only 805k. Still dramatic, but not nearly as bad.
I think the numbers are a red herring. Finding a date is a numbers game. However, if you've spent any time in a committed relationship, you'll know that pretty much the only things that matter are how she feels about herself and how she feels about you (and the converses for you, which are heavily influenced by those). All the stuff about hotness, income, intelligence, background, careers, etc. fades into the background, and you figure out how to make it work.
I suspect the reason that dating sucks in the Bay Area is because the Bay Area attracts guys (and women, but to a lesser extent) who are overly concerned with how they're perceived by others. After all, everybody is chasing the latest hot startup that will make them wealthy and famous. That same insecurity - and the same insecurity that would make you bail on an area just because there are no girls - is massively unattractive to women.
I spent a year and a half dating around, including some very hot women. After realizing that none of that mattered and the only thing important was how I felt when I was with her, it took me all of 3 weeks to find a partner.
What assumptions / observations underpin your conclusion that "The dating situation is so bad for single men in their early to mid twenties on the west coast"?
This article makes it obvious how far behind technology NYC is compared to SF. Men in SF don't want women from NYC flown to see them. Men in SF want women delievered by Quadricopter drones.
I believe this is not the first time this happened in San Francisco.
During the Gold Rush, the gender ratio was about 50 men per woman. It got better with the years, but party organisers kept doing their damnedest to get women to go to their balls, inviting (and arranging for travel for) women from as far as Missouri, over the Pony Express.
And in a third, different place on Earth a man is choosing between keeping his sanity or caving in and typing "valleywag.gawker.com" in his browser's address bar.
"Also, not great, as pointed out by another TechCrunch writer: The implicit assumption that all dating is between women and men."
Another possibility is that there's no first-order[0] geographical arbitrage opportunity presented by gender imbalances when men seek men and women seek women.
[0] there may be "second-order" abritrage opportunity, in terms of sub-types of men or women.
Open question: where do men here in SF try to meet women?
As a man, I have yet to see such a lack of single women in the city that would necessitate a project like this, even when I was dating around for 9 months.
Me thinks either standards are too high or don't go far enough out of your comfort zone. I could imagine being wrapped up in a startup, eat, breathing, sleeping it. And yes, not too many single women in the startup scene.
But startup != San Francisco, though it may seem that way from the news media.
As a guy with wickedly amazing success on OKCupid and Craigslist in New York and elsewhere, in SF alone for a month, I can confirm that the usual methods that smart, hardworking, tech-savvy dudes use for finding strangers to date are completely oversaturated in SF.
Offline is the way, obviously, but ain't nobody got time for that.
They need to make this frictionless...much like Uber. Make an app where I push a button and a 'dateable' girl gets delivered as soon as possible to a bar of my choice for an instant date. She doesn't have to be from nyc.
The meta: know what you really want. Sex, companionship or kids: select up to two adjacent goals. Pick all 3 if you have a second condo and a burner phone.
According to a comment by the founder on the article, that's in the works going up online tommorow. They decided to do this one first because of winter weather in NYC vs SF.
My issues with this:
1. Whats the goal from the date? Nobody is going to commit to a long term relationship, and I doubt you will convince a guy to leave his job in SF to move to NY from this date.
2. Waste of resources/emissions. Sure, the effect of this is negligible since the planes will be flying anyways, but in principal this just seems like a huge waste of resources.
3. Given 1, it seems that this "date" is really just going to be mostly one-time affairs. Which is cool. But why not just find a date locally or hire an escort.
Not sure I agree about point three - why do you think they will get more success in SF than in NY? If they cannot get a "date" in NY, I am not sure they would get one in SF. Unless the organisers provide everyone with masks, cover of darkness and free booze!
The raw numbers don't paint an accurate picture of dating inequality. The pairwise nature means you need to subtract out those already paired with a dedicated partner. That will vary for different groups and can cause extreme imbalances in the dating population that you might not expect.
In your college of young adults, suppose 30% of the population is already paired, which is 15% of each gender. That leaves 40% available men to 30% available women, a 1.3:1 ratio, not too bad.
In New York City's adult population of all ages, suppose 86% of the population is already paired, 43% of each gender. That leaves 10% available women chasing 4% available men, a 2.5:1 ratio, quite lopsided.
> Kay told me the stereotypes are backed up by her site’s numbers — in New York, there are 1.82 as many female users as male, while in San Francisco, there are 1.42 as many male users as female.
VCs should be concerned. They are trying to fly in distractions. What if your founder starts wasting time dating women? Shouldn't they be focused on their startups? Startups are on a peninsula for a reason :)
Most expensive city in America, the most downright tyrannical laws in the country, might come crashing down on your head at any moment... oh, and NO WOMEN.
Majority opinion is that NY nightlife/dating life has higher ratio of girls to guys while SF has way more guys. So it doesn't mean standards are supposed to be lower, rather the ratio should even out between the 2 cities.
"It's like Great Expectations but with airplanes."
Any service that takes money from people by preying upon their dreams is inherently evil. This doesn't solve dating because it's unsolvable on purpose. Unplanned spontaneous clicking probably won't happen when it's the advertised goal. Joining interest groups on meetup would be infinitely better.
gonehome|12 years ago
The dating situation is so bad for single men in their early to mid twenties on the west coast that I'm starting to think it's worth bailing on the area entirely and moving to NYC just for that purpose. (Palo Alto has got to be magnitudes worse than SF which is still pretty bad).
At first it looked like the situation in NYC was even worse for women with the 150k vs. 50k difference, but the population of NYC is 8.2million where SF is only 805k. Still dramatic, but not nearly as bad.
nostrademons|12 years ago
I suspect the reason that dating sucks in the Bay Area is because the Bay Area attracts guys (and women, but to a lesser extent) who are overly concerned with how they're perceived by others. After all, everybody is chasing the latest hot startup that will make them wealthy and famous. That same insecurity - and the same insecurity that would make you bail on an area just because there are no girls - is massively unattractive to women.
I spent a year and a half dating around, including some very hot women. After realizing that none of that mattered and the only thing important was how I felt when I was with her, it took me all of 3 weeks to find a partner.
pyrocat|12 years ago
xivzgrev|12 years ago
rubiquity|12 years ago
daniel-cussen|12 years ago
During the Gold Rush, the gender ratio was about 50 men per woman. It got better with the years, but party organisers kept doing their damnedest to get women to go to their balls, inviting (and arranging for travel for) women from as far as Missouri, over the Pony Express.
themoonbus|12 years ago
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wellesley_College_Senate_bus
rughgaegteaelt|12 years ago
dictum|12 years ago
dnautics|12 years ago
Another possibility is that there's no first-order[0] geographical arbitrage opportunity presented by gender imbalances when men seek men and women seek women.
[0] there may be "second-order" abritrage opportunity, in terms of sub-types of men or women.
xivzgrev|12 years ago
Open question: where do men here in SF try to meet women?
As a man, I have yet to see such a lack of single women in the city that would necessitate a project like this, even when I was dating around for 9 months.
Me thinks either standards are too high or don't go far enough out of your comfort zone. I could imagine being wrapped up in a startup, eat, breathing, sleeping it. And yes, not too many single women in the startup scene.
But startup != San Francisco, though it may seem that way from the news media.
sneak|12 years ago
Offline is the way, obviously, but ain't nobody got time for that.
alangstaff|12 years ago
ballard|12 years ago
The meta: know what you really want. Sex, companionship or kids: select up to two adjacent goals. Pick all 3 if you have a second condo and a burner phone.
mcherm|12 years ago
gms7777|12 years ago
dfgeheht|12 years ago
jsumrall|12 years ago
2. Waste of resources/emissions. Sure, the effect of this is negligible since the planes will be flying anyways, but in principal this just seems like a huge waste of resources.
3. Given 1, it seems that this "date" is really just going to be mostly one-time affairs. Which is cool. But why not just find a date locally or hire an escort.
rughgaegteaelt|12 years ago
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wsidell|12 years ago
I am a man and went to a college that was 55% men and 45% women. I never felt like there was a lack of women.
T-hawk|12 years ago
In your college of young adults, suppose 30% of the population is already paired, which is 15% of each gender. That leaves 40% available men to 30% available women, a 1.3:1 ratio, not too bad.
In New York City's adult population of all ages, suppose 86% of the population is already paired, 43% of each gender. That leaves 10% available women chasing 4% available men, a 2.5:1 ratio, quite lopsided.
lclarkmichalek|12 years ago
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error54|12 years ago
hellbanTHIS|12 years ago
I thought you guys were supposed to be smart.
bryze|12 years ago
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ballard|12 years ago
Any service that takes money from people by preying upon their dreams is inherently evil. This doesn't solve dating because it's unsolvable on purpose. Unplanned spontaneous clicking probably won't happen when it's the advertised goal. Joining interest groups on meetup would be infinitely better.
sp332|12 years ago