We really need to come together as a species to combat this. This isn't a gender thing or a generational thing- I remember uptalk from the '80s; much like hatred, greed, and violence, it has probably been around in one form or another ever since we were evolved enough to engage in such activities. If we fail to stop this, we richly deserve whatever horrifying apocalypse follows as a result, whether it's getting stomped to death by a newly-arisen and understandably annoyed Cthulhu, or (more likely) Idiocracy comes true within our lifetimes.
Seriously: THIS CANNOT COME TO PASS. It cannot be allowed to happen. It doesn't matter what extremes we have to go to to stop it, even WWIII. Honestly, the complete and total extinction of humanity in a nuclear holocaust is preferable to someday waking up in a world where adults uptalk at any time ever for any reason at all whatsoever.
There are times in one's life where everything comes down to one struggle; one fight; one crusade. This is one of those times. Do not disappoint me, humanity. Please, please, please, please do not disappoint me, as you have so many times in the past. Do not let this happen. Thanks in advance?
I especially like that you ended your comment with a misplaced question mark? Unfortunately it looks like you are being down voted quite a bit? This seems like a genuine example of Poe's Law[1] in action?
The thing is, people (women and men) were talking in a similar way in the '80s — I was there. In CA. This has been a long time in coming, and I don't believe it was every especially isolated to females. Also, the phenomenon of "vocal fry" (that sort of gravelly sound made by younger people, usually near the end of a sentence)—that's not new, either. I happen to like it, and I remember listening pleasantly to girls who talked that way in the '90s, and possibly before.
My parents are in their early 50s and their speech is peppered with uptalk. The both grew up in the San Fernando Valley (the origin of the "valley girl" sterotype). This is by no means a new thing.
If anything, it's a developing regional dialect like South American English, Cockney, Scouse, Australian English, or any other spin of our language. Small minded people will always look down on those who don't speak just like them, but the rest of us appreciate the fascinating variety.
Vocal fry is nails on a chalkboard for me. It's the vocal equivalent of slouching. It seems disrespectful to others to not say words without the required air support.
When someone always up talks they come off as needlessly timid and desperate for agreement. Or, coming off as faux-inquisitive, as if everything's an open-ended question to ponder.
What also bugs me: Prepending every answer with "So…" a la Zuckerberg.
The "So" plague is not limited to answers. It shows up line zero column zero in all things written. I imagine all 365 entries in a contemporary teenager's diary begin "So today ..." / "So I ..." / "So thing happened ..."
"The team recorded and analysed the voices of 23 native Californians aged between 18 and 22. The researchers were therefore not able to infer similar language patters in older Californians."
Mmmm, gotta love that solid 23 person sample size surely representing the general youth population :)
It's not clear from this article that the researchers claim any evidence of uptalk in the past being more common among girls and women. The only claim seems to be that this current research showed no difference based on gender.
Which isn't surprising. There are a lot of stereotypes about language usage differences between men and women that are entirely without basis, often in reality being the opposite of the CW.
I started researching this when I noticed it was highly prevalent in my company. Furthermore, new people would join (from other parts of the country) and would pick up this speech pattern within days.
Is writing being similarly affected? Seems like it would be interesting to know? Further research would be useful?
Edit: Of course, a joke. But note that an article title currently on front page "How to tell when someone is lying?" adds a question mark not in the source.
I work with a lot of male geeks 10+ years younger than me and they all do this when stating an opinion. It is so prevalent I even started doing it. It got so bad I was doing it when I was actually right about stuff "you may want to add comments? And create a new branch? Don't just merge it into master? wait until I someone reviews it?" I've tried to make a conscious effort to stop but it is like a virus.
I keep seeing uptalk used to insult someone should "know better" than to ask such revoltingly dumb questions: "How do I debug my app?" "Um...with a debugger?"
Or I've seen uptalk used to supply guesses from other people who don't know the answer but are willing to pontificate: "How does one get a test VM?" "Download a VM product? Contact operations and requisition one?"
Most often the former though, and yes it is annoying.
I know a few people I like and whose opinions I respect who talk like this, and if I don't make a conscious effort to ignore the uptalk, it drives me mad.
> "Typically, women are trail-blazers in language change and take up innovative features first, then males start using them later.
OT, but why say "women", but then "males"? Or vice versa? I don't particularly like "fe/male": since it's a generic term for the sex of any animal, it comes off more as a biological taxonomy. "We have seen this behaviour in multiple human specimen."
You kind of need those two words as adjectives. But not as nouns.
[+] [-] mwfunk|12 years ago|reply
Seriously: THIS CANNOT COME TO PASS. It cannot be allowed to happen. It doesn't matter what extremes we have to go to to stop it, even WWIII. Honestly, the complete and total extinction of humanity in a nuclear holocaust is preferable to someday waking up in a world where adults uptalk at any time ever for any reason at all whatsoever.
There are times in one's life where everything comes down to one struggle; one fight; one crusade. This is one of those times. Do not disappoint me, humanity. Please, please, please, please do not disappoint me, as you have so many times in the past. Do not let this happen. Thanks in advance?
[+] [-] radicaledward|12 years ago|reply
1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
[+] [-] Zhenya|12 years ago|reply
my new symbol for uptalk --> [?]
/s
[+] [-] anateus|12 years ago|reply
If you want some more background on uptalk and some of its spread from linguists:
http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=568
http://languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=8879
[+] [-] barry-cotter|12 years ago|reply
FTFY
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[+] [-] xanderstrike|12 years ago|reply
If anything, it's a developing regional dialect like South American English, Cockney, Scouse, Australian English, or any other spin of our language. Small minded people will always look down on those who don't speak just like them, but the rest of us appreciate the fascinating variety.
[+] [-] b_emery|12 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] bluthru|12 years ago|reply
What also bugs me: Prepending every answer with "So…" a la Zuckerberg.
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[+] [-] l33tbro|12 years ago|reply
No, actually, I don't know "what". That's what I'm waiting for you to tell me, jack-ass.
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[+] [-] abledon|12 years ago|reply
Mmmm, gotta love that solid 23 person sample size surely representing the general youth population :)
[+] [-] skywhopper|12 years ago|reply
Which isn't surprising. There are a lot of stereotypes about language usage differences between men and women that are entirely without basis, often in reality being the opposite of the CW.
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[+] [-] Selfcommit|12 years ago|reply
- How is this even news? They're saying they happened to find 23 people.. in the entire state...
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[+] [-] erehweb|12 years ago|reply
Edit: Of course, a joke. But note that an article title currently on front page "How to tell when someone is lying?" adds a question mark not in the source.
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Or I've seen uptalk used to supply guesses from other people who don't know the answer but are willing to pontificate: "How does one get a test VM?" "Download a VM product? Contact operations and requisition one?"
Most often the former though, and yes it is annoying.
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[+] [-] dorfsmay|12 years ago|reply
What is it? Why is it so irritating?
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[+] [-] Dewie|12 years ago|reply
OT, but why say "women", but then "males"? Or vice versa? I don't particularly like "fe/male": since it's a generic term for the sex of any animal, it comes off more as a biological taxonomy. "We have seen this behaviour in multiple human specimen."
You kind of need those two words as adjectives. But not as nouns.
[+] [-] randallsquared|12 years ago|reply