That's a great policy. It doesn't completely remove time or energy from the HR/hiring manager at Atlassian, but it clearly outlines objectives of working with recruiters with a very real, tangible penalty for spamming. Nice.
Is that a fixed recording of someone reading out 5 random job descriptions, or are you dynamically getting 5 fresh descriptions and using text-to-voice? Its probably the former, but if not, that is amazing text-to-voice, and I'd love to know where its available!
As much as i agree that recruiters can be annoying getting the right recruitment/recruiter help can be the most amazing leverage tool for your startup and to be honest this comes across really childish. That said recruitment is ripe for disruption.
This makes me sad. It's petty vindictiveness and it doesn't help our industry. Rather than accepting that recruiters have wasted his time, and moving on, the author decides to waste even more time to get back at them. And for what? Does anyone think that the recruiter who wasted the author's time is going to reflect deeply on this and change his ways?
Rather than striking back with some ego-stroking revenge, maybe educating the recruiter on why his behavior was shitty might help more? Maybe making a general page that you could easily refer him to that explains why his tactics are disrespectful so that he can learn from this, rather than just having his time wasted? You could also refer other pushy recruiters to that page.
This isn't my company though, so the author is free to do what he wants. I'm wondering if people look at this and think "that's awesome, I can relate! I want to work there," or if they look at this and think "that guy has no problem spending time being mean to people he thinks deserve it, I might stay away."
You obviously don't have a lot of experience working with recruiters. They know exactly what they're doing and know which things they do are scummy. Their tactic is to fish for as many people in an organization until somebody bites.
I think the idea is great - it needs to be extended to other, configurable, phone numbers. There should also be a version for recruiters calling potential candidates.
I don't see it as vindictiveness but as some kind of "spammer's honey pot" -- while the recruiter is listening to this at least he's not calling someone on their team.
But I was disappointed about the low-tech quality of the approach; I was hoping for some kind of evolved Eliza-like HR robot that could sustain some form of conversation for some time.
If this caught on, at some point recruiters could never be sure they're talking to a real person.
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I very often get calls at home, from people trying to sell me either new windows for my house or some low-cost mobile phone service.
I used to hang up on those calls, but not anymore!
Now I put them on speakerphone... and give the receiver to my four-year-old. He's very excited that someone wants to speak to him, and starts talking about his day right away.
This has transformed a very annoying experience into a great form of entertainment for the whole family (not to mention it "shifts the burden of rudeness" to the caller... how do they dare hanging up on my son!!!?!)
I think it's assumed from the article (and the screenshot of the Gmail trail) that the team members have explicitly stated that they don't want to be bothered and don't work with recruiting agencies, this is a total last ditch effort.
At our ~20-person startup, we have a few recs open and I still see multiple people get calls on their mobile phones from recruiters over and over, and in the majority of these cases they don't even know how the recruiter got their number.
You tell them to go away. You tell them to not call you. You tell them to not call others in your company. And yet still they call. And call. And call. And email. And call. It never stops.
> I'm wondering if people look at this and think "that's awesome, I can relate! I want to work there," or if they look at this and think "that guy has no problem spending time being mean to people he thinks deserve it, I might stay away."
I look at this and think - wow, these guys have an awesome sense of humor and don't hire (usually bad) devs peddled by such recruiters. Definitely raises my interest.
"Ughhhhhhhhhh people keep emailing me to offer high paying jobs and I have to click archive."-The most first world problem in the history of the universe.
They're actually dealing with recruiter spam on the other side. "I see you need people, I have 'great candidates' for the roles that I would love to setup for interviews."
And they said some go to the lengths of calling the mobile number of every engineer at their company. So basically the recruiter is just an extremely persistent salesperson who distracts the entire company in hopes that they'll find a way to sell their product.
1. The recruiter is not contacting him to help him get a job, he's contacting him to provide candidates and get paid if 42floors hires them. It's the other way around.
2. A recruiter never emails you to offer you a job, he's asking you to apply for some position. There's no guarantee you'll get the job. If he's a good recruiter, he studied your profile and knows you're a good match. That's pretty rare. Most of the time, recruiters are just spamming a list of emails addresses of people working in the general field when just a quick look at the linkedin profile would be enough to see that it would be a very bad match.
"Grr, someone posted something that I don't want to read at all but feel like trashing in the comments." -the second most first world problem.
I mean seriously, as everyone as pointed out this post is not about that problem in the first place. If you actually read the post you would see that they made a pretty cool little hack. Try calling the number, (415) 534-6560, for yourself. It sounds surprisingly real.
"people keep emailing me to offer high paying jobs and I have to click archive."-The most first world problem in the history of the universe."
I agree 100%
However, he has the opposite issue, he has job openings and he's getting spam from recruiters proposing candidates.
OTOH, there's one type of recruiter spam that annoys me: the ones that spam with openings where I explicitly say I'm not authorized to work, so, surprise surprise, if you're incompetent to see that, I don't trust you (It's the "no brown M&Ms of recruiting")
[+] [-] vcherubini|11 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] mfkp|11 years ago|reply
Still, seems like a jerk-move. I can see this backfiring in some way or another.
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[+] [-] raverbashing|11 years ago|reply
Not sure this allows the recordings to be divulged, though
[+] [-] ianstallings|11 years ago|reply
[+] [-] benihana|11 years ago|reply
Rather than striking back with some ego-stroking revenge, maybe educating the recruiter on why his behavior was shitty might help more? Maybe making a general page that you could easily refer him to that explains why his tactics are disrespectful so that he can learn from this, rather than just having his time wasted? You could also refer other pushy recruiters to that page.
This isn't my company though, so the author is free to do what he wants. I'm wondering if people look at this and think "that's awesome, I can relate! I want to work there," or if they look at this and think "that guy has no problem spending time being mean to people he thinks deserve it, I might stay away."
[+] [-] ryen|11 years ago|reply
I think the idea is great - it needs to be extended to other, configurable, phone numbers. There should also be a version for recruiters calling potential candidates.
[+] [-] bambax|11 years ago|reply
But I was disappointed about the low-tech quality of the approach; I was hoping for some kind of evolved Eliza-like HR robot that could sustain some form of conversation for some time.
If this caught on, at some point recruiters could never be sure they're talking to a real person.
- - -
I very often get calls at home, from people trying to sell me either new windows for my house or some low-cost mobile phone service.
I used to hang up on those calls, but not anymore!
Now I put them on speakerphone... and give the receiver to my four-year-old. He's very excited that someone wants to speak to him, and starts talking about his day right away.
This has transformed a very annoying experience into a great form of entertainment for the whole family (not to mention it "shifts the burden of rudeness" to the caller... how do they dare hanging up on my son!!!?!)
[+] [-] changdizzle|11 years ago|reply
At our ~20-person startup, we have a few recs open and I still see multiple people get calls on their mobile phones from recruiters over and over, and in the majority of these cases they don't even know how the recruiter got their number.
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[+] [-] olegbl|11 years ago|reply
I look at this and think - wow, these guys have an awesome sense of humor and don't hire (usually bad) devs peddled by such recruiters. Definitely raises my interest.
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[+] [-] jackowayed|11 years ago|reply
And they said some go to the lengths of calling the mobile number of every engineer at their company. So basically the recruiter is just an extremely persistent salesperson who distracts the entire company in hopes that they'll find a way to sell their product.
[+] [-] eloisant|11 years ago|reply
2. A recruiter never emails you to offer you a job, he's asking you to apply for some position. There's no guarantee you'll get the job. If he's a good recruiter, he studied your profile and knows you're a good match. That's pretty rare. Most of the time, recruiters are just spamming a list of emails addresses of people working in the general field when just a quick look at the linkedin profile would be enough to see that it would be a very bad match.
[+] [-] gk1|11 years ago|reply
Also, the "First World Problem" meme is so tired by now. A problem doesn't need to be as bad as starvation to be worth solving.
[+] [-] crisnoble|11 years ago|reply
I mean seriously, as everyone as pointed out this post is not about that problem in the first place. If you actually read the post you would see that they made a pretty cool little hack. Try calling the number, (415) 534-6560, for yourself. It sounds surprisingly real.
[+] [-] raverbashing|11 years ago|reply
I agree 100%
However, he has the opposite issue, he has job openings and he's getting spam from recruiters proposing candidates.
OTOH, there's one type of recruiter spam that annoys me: the ones that spam with openings where I explicitly say I'm not authorized to work, so, surprise surprise, if you're incompetent to see that, I don't trust you (It's the "no brown M&Ms of recruiting")
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