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Psychedelics in problem-solving experiment

167 points| gasull | 11 years ago |en.wikipedia.org | reply

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[+] poke53281|11 years ago|reply
Myself, I used LSD to learn calculus -- or rather, to overcome a lifelong crippling phobia/anxiety of mathematics, which allowed me to rapidly learn calculus. When I was 21, I encountered John Lilly's theories of cognitive metaprogramming with psychedelics, and I designed a trip to convince myself -- at a really primal level -- of the fundamental beauty, power, and accessibility of math. 12 hours after dosing, my fear of mathematics was gone forever, and I spent the rest of the summer acing a series of intensive calculus courses. 17 years later, I've co-founded three successful and highly maths-intensive companies. I am certain that I could not have done this without the drugs.

I do hope that some day the world will wake up and realise how much of a wrong turn it took in banning psychedelic research; it has the potential to be a power for good unlike anything else.

[+] rdtsc|11 years ago|reply
On a funny note: Someone shared a video with me, which is a joke trailer for Project Lectorium -- a Russian project to collect videos of lectures, math, economics, engineering etc.

Anyway, in one of its parts there is a professor who explains group theory and he mentioned how a "friend" (wink wink) of his used to take drugs. And while on a trip he saw this bubbling substance, it talked to him and it told him "ask me any questions?". So he asked whether something will happen in his life. But the bubbling substance responded "homologies are null/(singular?)". And so since then he had spend most of his life trying to answer that question.

If anyone speaks Russian, here is the actual video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqAf5lOJZew

Having read your comment, it reminded me of it.

Also presumably Paul Erdős was fond of amphetamines. I wonder if there are many other cases or stories of LSD or other drugs influencing mathematical discoveries.

[+] sopooneo|11 years ago|reply
In Fitzgerald's The Beautiful and the Damned, the protagonist's father is fond, in later years, of attributing his business success to his lifelong religious devotion. The hero doubts it.

I have been temped in the past to equate this magnate character's conviction to PG's belief that it was Lisp which allowed Viaweb to do so well.

I do not disaprove of religion, functional programming, or psychedelics. But in the instances described, I tend to view them mostly as analogous to Dumbo's magic feather.

[+] nether|11 years ago|reply
Now the question is, whether you would have overcome your phobia without psychedelics.
[+] natdempk|11 years ago|reply
Could you go into more detail about the trip? I would love to hear about the design of it and how you convinced yourself to love math.
[+] meowface|11 years ago|reply
This sounds quite incredibe. In fact, very incredible, considering you just registered that account and this is your only post. But I believe you may be telling the truth.

Do you think the same could be applied for other disciplines, like programming and computer science?

[+] ams6110|11 years ago|reply
Do you mean John Lilly? I'm not finding much about a Robert Lily with regards to "psychedelics" and "cognitive metaprogramming."
[+] atmosx|11 years ago|reply
I would like to read a detailed description of your experience, using a blog post or a gist if/when you have the time.
[+] Ideka|11 years ago|reply
Can you explain in detail how you achieved this? How is it that you "designed" the trip?
[+] notastartup|11 years ago|reply
having same phobia of math (just about blanked on any midterm or final in university) this is intriguing.

can you describe your experience more in detail? what in particular did you discover during the process how to overcome fear of math?

[+] GuiA|11 years ago|reply
If you're interested in the topic, I highly recommend the book "What the Dormouse Said", which explores amongst other things the impact of psychedelics on computing.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/What_the_Dormouse_Said

Timothy Leary also has a chapter in "The Art of HCI design" in which he explores parallels between psychedelics and computer interaction.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Art-Human-Computer-Interface-Desig...

[+] arketyp|11 years ago|reply
I came here to mention the first title. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but as I recall LSD not only reached the computer scientists early on, it more or less was introduced via such academic circles.

The other day I reflected on the fact that the project I have been working on for the last 3 years have such strong connections with my first psychedelic experience. Sometimes I wonder about the worth those things, questioning what ultimately can be gained from that so-called ineffable, even as a source of inspiration. And I'm the first one to trivialize it too, to debunk it as pretty much any intoxication. But then again, you can shrug it off, it doesn't hurt you, or change you: it's only significant if you are open to it. So it just seems to me that it would be silly to be cynical about something like that, to doubt the good of something that really just opens your mind a bit.

[+] ardemue|11 years ago|reply
Some people have experimented with micro-dosing (~0.1 to 0.2g dry of) psilocybin mushrooms at shroomery.org, especially: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/17315584... . He seems to have observed an increase in focus and productivity at work (editor of some kind). Unfortunately he stopped posting abruptly.
[+] Theodores|11 years ago|reply
> he stopped posting abruptly...

That is the slight problem, mega-dosing types have probably independently arrived at some coherent theory of everything many times yet not got as far as writing it down. The 'increased focus...' is probably comparing micro- to mega- dosing, not 'reality'.

At least the Beatles were able to complete albums with words written whilst off their trolleys, few others seem to manage it. Really if there is to be research in the wonders of various psycho-active drugs, the hard part, writing it down, in a form that makes sense in the 'real world' is where research needs to be conducted.

[+] codeshaman|11 years ago|reply
Here is a very interesting talk about this study (and on the subject), by James Fadiman, one of the researches on the team:

Scientific Problem Solving with Psychedelics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtL5fafpRKc&list=SP4F0vNNToz...

From the talk:

"It's not 'take psychedelics and you can understand quantum mechanics'. But if you understand quantum mechanics and you take a psychedelic, you may really understand quantum mechanics"

[+] Energy1|11 years ago|reply
Can LSD alter sexuality? Any studies on that one? Thanks.