Really hope they fix the multiple display issues where menu bar icons are redrawn every time you switch displays causing flickering in your peripheral vision. Very annoying. According to the link below, this is "by design" but it clearly seems like a bug to me.
It is baffling to me how poorly apple, and their OS, has supported multiple monitors.
I heard anecdotes that it was passable on Mavericks, but prior to that there were all manner of basic usage problems.
It makes me think that there must be some kind of "apple way" resistance to multiple monitors ? Is it considered a "wrong" use-case ? Do people at apple not use multiple screens in their own work ? (how could they, with the issues that have plagued it since snow leopard...)
This 10000x over!!! I posted in that thread [0] & [1] and ended up having to just disable "Displays have separate Spaces" because my clicks wouldn't register for 1-3 seconds when clicking into another monitor. Very annoyed by this issue and hope they fix it soon!
I just updated all the way from Lion (10.8). It seems that every display has its own menu bar which I don't know if I like yet, but more disturbing to me is that one of my external monitors is flickering off for a second or two every minute or so after this upgrade. Not sure what the source of the issue is, but it was working fine before the upgrade. :/
I used to use a Matrox DualHead2Go DP Edition so I could use my two 19" monitors in addition to my main laptop screen. Earlier this year I bought a LandingZone docking bar which let me run one monitor via miniDV and the other via HDMI. This solution has worked pretty well so far, so I hope the flickering either magically fixes itself or that I'm able to find some cause and resolution. :)
I need my three monitors. I've never liked the whole idea of virtual desktops, etc. and I like being able to see mail, calendar, shell, and browser just by glancing instead of requiring any sort of gesture or keystroke.
Low transparency mode has this weird bug where the corner of rounded rectangles are black rather than fully transparent. Try enabling it in accessibility and then changing the volume.
Edit: I wonder why I am being downvoted. UI/UX bugs are bugs as well and need to be addressed!
You are conflating UX with aesthetics. When you are saying that "the UI looks terrible even with transparancy dialed down" you are just saying the new Yosemite is ugly to look at.
That's a personal opinion and really doesn't matter on HN.
The link you provide is not about aesthetics, but about UX. So to back up your (pointless) claim that Yosemite is ugly to look at, you link to an article that rightly points out useability problems. This is like saying "The top speed of my car is too low, here's an article that talks about its slow acceleration"
I am assuming you are being downvoted because your claim is irrelevant to HN discussion and your link is irrelevant to your claim.
Your second claim is partially true though. While volume indicator does show black corners, there are plenty of rounded corners that do show correctly in Yosemite with transparency turned off.
Lastly, according to the HN guidelines, you are kindly asked to "Resist complaining about being downmodded. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading. "
I've been using it since 10.1, and the only time I thought they took a step back was with Mavericks. I attribute that to major UI changes needing a version to sort out.
Here's hoping it fixes the issue I've been having since upgrading. My wifi doesn't drop, but my internet access stops working every 10 minutes or so. Cycling my wifi connected brings it back.
Is it just me or do the last iOS and OSX updates look really bad? I upgraded my iPhone to iOS 8 and somehow calls started dopping (even after 8.1 and resetting the entire device twice!). The Apple help desk actually asked me to install each app one-by-one to see if that finds a rogue app! Luckily, I was within a year of warranty and they replaced my iPhone.
I have not upgraded to OSX Yosemite yet. I am afraid that there will be a performance hit. Even the new iPhone 5S I got replaced faces some lags that weren't present in iOS 7.
What are your views about upgrading to Yosemite, esp. related to dev environments?
Edit: I have faced similar lags after updates on my iPad Air too. Hence, the dismay.
OS X updates have been virtually flawless for me in the past. Yosemite is the first one with big problems:
- No longer able to connect to any 5GHz wifi routers.
- Wifi drops suddenly and won't reconnect automatically even though the network is present.
- Very slow wifi generally.
- Unable to restore from sleep, machine reboots.
- External display doesn't come up during login after sleep, need to open MacBook and login there.
- Random hangs/kernel panics. (Could be explained by faulty RAM, but starting to happen just after Yosemite upgrade? Doubt it.)
- Laggy UI.
The last point is the worst. "Reduce transparency" does nothing for me. WindowServer is occasionally using 20-30% when the system is doing almost no redrawing. Safari is sluggish, and often hangs for several seconds — especially on opening new blank tabs, loading a new site, trying to load an embedded YouTube video ("HTML5" mode) — before becoming responsive again. Overall, it feels like my machine (early 2013 MBP, quad-core 2.7GHz i7, 16GB, SSD) just rolled back two hardware generations.
Hopefully this update should fix the wifi issues. But the lagginess isn't mentioned in the release notes. Has anyone gotten any performance improvements by reinstalling the OS from scratch?
I like (/don't care) about the new UI look in Yosemite but I have not been very impressed with it as a whole. The install took over 3 hours (I use homebrew and minor research I did pointed at that being the cause, well the cause being lots of data in /usr/local which is where HB puts it's stuff) and this [0] issue was causing me to pull my hair out until I just disabled per-display spaces to "fix" it. That menu bar issue would cause a 1-3 second delay between clicking on a monitor different from the one with the active window which was infuriating.
I was unaffected by the big issues (wifi) plaguing iOS 8 and didn't get burned by the 8.0.1 issue. I have the 6+ and I do have some weird issues still like BT Audio sometimes skipping a second or two when the screen rotates (I know... odd) or just screen rotation issues as a whole (I shouldn't have to shake my phone or switch orientations multiple times before it works!!). Also the healthkit stuff not working at release (because of a security bug) was annoying, where is the homekit integration?, handoff is gimmicky and I have found little/no use for it so far (I have a MBPr + iPhone + iPad, I expect better), keyboards where glitchy as fuck on release, Apple Pay didn't support either of my CC's and the process to setup a card was far from what I would expect from Apple.
All in all: Yes, both releases were shit if you ask me and that's coming from someone who loves Apple products and owns quite a few of them.
I've had a lot of wonkiness with Keychain, iCloud, and iMessage since the upgrades, but that seems to be because certain preferences were reset or deactivated in the process. (I'm also willing to accept user error as the culprit).
Have also had some weird issues with wifi connectivity, which is ostensibly one of the reasons for this update. And there have been some strange lockups on the mail screen on my iPad, occasionally forcing me to hard-close the mail app.
Other than that, I haven't noticed anything significantly "bad" about the updates. Yosemite has been fine for me, and aside from some third-party compatibility issues (which happen with every major OS upgrade), the upgrade has been seamless. iOS 8 performs well, aside from the aforementioned problems.
Whole system crashes have been much more common, especially ones related to sleep (the system won't wake up). About half a dozen to a dozen times since the upgrade (one month) but really, there shouldn't be any.
My rMBP updated just fine to 10.10.1 but when I went to update my sister's MBP with a 840 SSD and Trim Enabled I ran into the grey forbidden screen and safe mode yielded the 'Waiting for root device' error. This can be fixed by going into recovery mode (Command+R) on boot and running the following commands:
Disappointed that the update doesn't seem to mention graphics fixes. Many people (myself and my colleague included) are having issues with the dual gpu mbp retina. Graphics corruption, forced logouts, big black blocks - seems to happen while switching from intel to nvidia.
Ah, too bad there aren't any fixes listed for Bluetooth. I've been having all kinds of issues with device pairing and, once paired, connections dropping. I also suspect Bluetooth (or rather, searches for nonexistent BT input devices) to be the cause of very long delays when resuming from hibernation.
Sigh. It took Apple a month to release a relatively small and minor incremental update to an OS they launched over a month ago riddled with bugs and UI inconsistencies and issues.
This update is meant to address the wifi issues of intermittent connections, weak connections, constant dropouts and lost packets. Installing the update has not fixed the wifi issues and some Googling/Apple forums proves this. I have resorted to using my Dell laptop more than my Mac because the wifi issues have been too much to bear.
Apple used to be about quality. Mavericks was a fantastic operating system I had no such issues with. What are Apple doing over there? This is what happens when you put an industrial designer in charge of your software.
Have they fixed cifs slowness in Yosemite? That would be my only reason for upgrading. I actually use a vm Windows for browsing network shares on my Mac it's so bad..
Perhaps you should switch up from cifs to smbfs? I used to use cifs in Maverick but now appear to get slightly better stability and performance using smbfs with my Window 2012 server and 10.10.
> You should back up your system before installation. To do this you can use Time Machine.
Except that Yosemite stopped recognizing my Time Machine drive because it was plugged in through a powered USB 3.0 hub.
It doesn't look like I'm the only one with this problem - if someone from Apple were to PM me, I could reply with the USB vendor & product ID to help get this solved.
I see nothing about it, but I've noticed an issue with headphones (and maybe multiple monitors). If you plug in headphones while your laptop is asleep, then wake it up, it seems to crash with a "sleep wake failure". Once I found the issue I was able to help a lot of people stop their macs from crashing on wake as well. Really hope that one is fixed in this update.
There doesn't appear to be any fixes for FileVault, which is rather disappointing. Under certain circumstances, particularly with new installs, FileVault can get into an inconsistent state and the only known cure (so far) is to erase the disk and reinstall.
Edit: Nope, FileVault is still broken after the patch.
No mention about fixes to the WindowServer using all available CPU either... When there's animation on the dock it happily uses ties up a core for as long as it can.
[+] [-] Osmium|11 years ago|reply
http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/152038/prevent-redr...
[+] [-] rsync|11 years ago|reply
I heard anecdotes that it was passable on Mavericks, but prior to that there were all manner of basic usage problems.
It makes me think that there must be some kind of "apple way" resistance to multiple monitors ? Is it considered a "wrong" use-case ? Do people at apple not use multiple screens in their own work ? (how could they, with the issues that have plagued it since snow leopard...)
What's the deal ?
[+] [-] joshstrange|11 years ago|reply
[0] http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/152038/prevent-redr...
[1] http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/152038/prevent-redr...
[+] [-] delinka|11 years ago|reply
[+] [-] DEinspanjer|11 years ago|reply
I used to use a Matrox DualHead2Go DP Edition so I could use my two 19" monitors in addition to my main laptop screen. Earlier this year I bought a LandingZone docking bar which let me run one monitor via miniDV and the other via HDMI. This solution has worked pretty well so far, so I hope the flickering either magically fixes itself or that I'm able to find some cause and resolution. :)
I need my three monitors. I've never liked the whole idea of virtual desktops, etc. and I like being able to see mail, calendar, shell, and browser just by glancing instead of requiring any sort of gesture or keystroke.
[+] [-] carlob|11 years ago|reply
http://uxcritique.tumblr.com
Low transparency mode has this weird bug where the corner of rounded rectangles are black rather than fully transparent. Try enabling it in accessibility and then changing the volume.
Edit: I wonder why I am being downvoted. UI/UX bugs are bugs as well and need to be addressed!
[+] [-] chucknelson|11 years ago|reply
[+] [-] wodenokoto|11 years ago|reply
That's a personal opinion and really doesn't matter on HN.
The link you provide is not about aesthetics, but about UX. So to back up your (pointless) claim that Yosemite is ugly to look at, you link to an article that rightly points out useability problems. This is like saying "The top speed of my car is too low, here's an article that talks about its slow acceleration"
I am assuming you are being downvoted because your claim is irrelevant to HN discussion and your link is irrelevant to your claim.
Your second claim is partially true though. While volume indicator does show black corners, there are plenty of rounded corners that do show correctly in Yosemite with transparency turned off.
Lastly, according to the HN guidelines, you are kindly asked to "Resist complaining about being downmodded. It never does any good, and it makes boring reading. "
[+] [-] brandonmenc|11 years ago|reply
I've been using it since 10.1, and the only time I thought they took a step back was with Mavericks. I attribute that to major UI changes needing a version to sort out.
[+] [-] titusjohnson|11 years ago|reply
Here's hoping it fixes the issue I've been having since upgrading. My wifi doesn't drop, but my internet access stops working every 10 minutes or so. Cycling my wifi connected brings it back.
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[+] [-] rcthompson|11 years ago|reply
Open that in Script Editor and then export is as an application. Then just run that application whenever your wifi stops working for no reason.
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[+] [-] geekam|11 years ago|reply
I have not upgraded to OSX Yosemite yet. I am afraid that there will be a performance hit. Even the new iPhone 5S I got replaced faces some lags that weren't present in iOS 7.
What are your views about upgrading to Yosemite, esp. related to dev environments?
Edit: I have faced similar lags after updates on my iPad Air too. Hence, the dismay.
[+] [-] lobster_johnson|11 years ago|reply
- No longer able to connect to any 5GHz wifi routers.
- Wifi drops suddenly and won't reconnect automatically even though the network is present.
- Very slow wifi generally.
- Unable to restore from sleep, machine reboots.
- External display doesn't come up during login after sleep, need to open MacBook and login there.
- Random hangs/kernel panics. (Could be explained by faulty RAM, but starting to happen just after Yosemite upgrade? Doubt it.)
- Laggy UI.
The last point is the worst. "Reduce transparency" does nothing for me. WindowServer is occasionally using 20-30% when the system is doing almost no redrawing. Safari is sluggish, and often hangs for several seconds — especially on opening new blank tabs, loading a new site, trying to load an embedded YouTube video ("HTML5" mode) — before becoming responsive again. Overall, it feels like my machine (early 2013 MBP, quad-core 2.7GHz i7, 16GB, SSD) just rolled back two hardware generations.
Hopefully this update should fix the wifi issues. But the lagginess isn't mentioned in the release notes. Has anyone gotten any performance improvements by reinstalling the OS from scratch?
[+] [-] joshstrange|11 years ago|reply
I was unaffected by the big issues (wifi) plaguing iOS 8 and didn't get burned by the 8.0.1 issue. I have the 6+ and I do have some weird issues still like BT Audio sometimes skipping a second or two when the screen rotates (I know... odd) or just screen rotation issues as a whole (I shouldn't have to shake my phone or switch orientations multiple times before it works!!). Also the healthkit stuff not working at release (because of a security bug) was annoying, where is the homekit integration?, handoff is gimmicky and I have found little/no use for it so far (I have a MBPr + iPhone + iPad, I expect better), keyboards where glitchy as fuck on release, Apple Pay didn't support either of my CC's and the process to setup a card was far from what I would expect from Apple.
All in all: Yes, both releases were shit if you ask me and that's coming from someone who loves Apple products and owns quite a few of them.
[0] http://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/152038/prevent-redr...
[+] [-] jonnathanson|11 years ago|reply
Have also had some weird issues with wifi connectivity, which is ostensibly one of the reasons for this update. And there have been some strange lockups on the mail screen on my iPad, occasionally forcing me to hard-close the mail app.
Other than that, I haven't noticed anything significantly "bad" about the updates. Yosemite has been fine for me, and aside from some third-party compatibility issues (which happen with every major OS upgrade), the upgrade has been seamless. iOS 8 performs well, aside from the aforementioned problems.
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[+] [-] GrumpdeVale|11 years ago|reply
The news OSX Ysemite 10.10.1 Mail (v8.1) is a disaster. It keeps on crashing.
[+] [-] suhailpatel|11 years ago|reply
Commands Source: http://www.cindori.org/forums/topic/heads-up-osx-10-10-beta-...
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This update is meant to address the wifi issues of intermittent connections, weak connections, constant dropouts and lost packets. Installing the update has not fixed the wifi issues and some Googling/Apple forums proves this. I have resorted to using my Dell laptop more than my Mac because the wifi issues have been too much to bear.
Apple used to be about quality. Mavericks was a fantastic operating system I had no such issues with. What are Apple doing over there? This is what happens when you put an industrial designer in charge of your software.
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Jury is still out on 10.10.1.
[+] [-] chiph|11 years ago|reply
Except that Yosemite stopped recognizing my Time Machine drive because it was plugged in through a powered USB 3.0 hub.
It doesn't look like I'm the only one with this problem - if someone from Apple were to PM me, I could reply with the USB vendor & product ID to help get this solved.
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Edit: Nope, FileVault is still broken after the patch.
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