[icantthinkofone]

Try telling that to most noobish programmers, and all redditors, and see where it gets you.

I can't agree more with all your comments here but I've been downvoted into oblivion for saying the same things.

[fsk]

I haven't seen a single MVC-style framework that I liked. I don't understand how such an awful idea can be so popular. It sucks to be in an industry that chases fads over substance.

MVC frameworks I have tried at work:

Java/Spring/jsp/beans

Ruby on Rails

angular.js

zend

All were awful.

I do like libraries, things you can plug and play and use where you want (like jQuery). A framework demands that your whole application be written in its style.

For example, the Ruby on Rails project used a legacy database, which was not written in primary key autoincrement integer Rails style. That project was a disaster and that startup failed. With financial data, demanding the primary key to be autoincrement integer forces a lot of unnecessary joins, when you already have natural keys like Ticker or CUSIP.