I signed up for hubiC a while back with the intention of using their touted OpenStack compatibility with Duplicity for encrypted backups (using the Swift backend) - only to discover they have placed their own authentication mechanism on top of OpenStack, breaking compatibility with all OpenStack clients. The only solutions available seem to be running a proxy between your client and hubiC.
> The only solutions available seem to be running a proxy between your client and hubiC.
Actually hubiC doesn't want you to use its API unless you're a developer, which means you must pass the steps necessary to "create an application", after which you will be able to use all API calls. It's burdensome but doable.
Since it took a while to find out how to set this up using duplicity to backup the home directory under Ubuntu Linux, here is how I got this to work. Maybe this can be of help for somebody: https://gist.github.com/molobrakos/ff1620ce6031c99f120b
I would stay away from OVH until they fix their billing system. At least on the server side, you have to log in and pay an invoice by PayPal each month. And if you forget, they delete the server without further warning.
Love the services, but the billing system must cost them a huge amount of customers - both customers that find it too time consuming, or customers that forget and are forcibly ejected!
I got stung real bad by ovh when they advertised kimsufi servers they didn't have, then failed to communicate timescales, eventually delivering about 2 months late. That box wasn't for anything important, but it made me not trust thier other services.
Last time this was posted, several people suggested they strongly cap upload speed to something silly like 200kb/s so it would take years to actually use that "10tb"
i have been uploading a back up to them for the last, nearly, 20ish hours at near enough my full upload speed of 68Mbits/s... so, i cant see any caps yet... I did pay for the 10TB package too...
hubiC had a great campaign a while ago which made me try it out. their client crashed and produced dialog boxes every time my notebook was offline or didn't get an IP address fast enough.
My experience is about half a year old now but back then it has been a horrible piece of engineering not only from the client but also from their website (EULA in french only).
Personally, I felt it was not good value for money but rather a cheap service that I wouldn't want to trust with my data let alone backups.
But, why? The upload time / cost must be enormous (on my home DSL it would take all year to upload. And the value of online remote storage is seriously limited by the access time.
This is like the fragmented 20TB hard disk (considers the magnetic upper limit) - even if you had a disk that size the seek times would mean months to take the data off.
It's nice to have but the uplift needs to occur throughout the whole network for there to be benefit.
Well, surprisingly, not everyone has your home DSL connection.
We're far from the country with the fastest connections, but even here you can get one where it would only take 20 days to upload, and less than a day to download everything, for less than $30/month (and that includes cable TV and a landline with free calls).
> This is like the fragmented 20TB hard disk (considers the magnetic upper limit) - even if you had a disk that size the seek times would mean months to take the data off.
The seek times don't matter if you want to read large chunks of data, it's the sustained read/write speeds that do, and it certainly won't take months. Also, I don't think we'll be using magnetic disks for much longer. 1 TB SSD's can be had for <$400 already.
> It's nice to have but the uplift needs to occur throughout the whole network for there to be benefit.
That uplift is happening.
South Korea, Japan, and several US cities can already do symmetric gigabit connections to homes at very affordable prices. The world will follow with time.
I agree about "whole network" - you may be able to upload at 100Mbps or even faster to some hosts, but the Internet ultimately is not a circuit-switched network so the realistic speeds you'll get are highly dependent on the path and what other traffic is passing through the various routers and links along the way. The bottleneck may not be at the connection to your ISP, but somewhere else.
Despite having a connection that is advertised for 50Mbps down - and I have achieved that speed when accessing hosts relatively close to me - the average speeds I get among all the sites I visit and download files big enough to notice the speed from would appear to be in the 1-2Mbps range.
For example you may want way to backup huge video files, panoramic photos or any other huge files. Obvious solution is your own storage, but usually you'll want at least one extra backup point because HDD these days a lot less reliable than cloud services.
> The upload time / cost must be enormous (on my home DSL it would take all year to upload.
It's sad that not everyone around the world have fast internet connection, but with 100Mb/s it's would take just about 10 days. I personally don't have that fast speed, but from my experience Microsoft OneDrive can handle like 70Mb/s upload just fine.
I heard some stories from someone inside OVH who told me that basically Hubic is not stable enough so you can lose some files (without knowing which ones). I wouldn't use Hubic seriously.
I'm using OVH for other services (dns, servers) and I'm quite happy with their services though.
It does not. Duplicity can use it, however, which does client-side encryption for you, as mentioned above.
Well, duplicity can usually use it. You may have connection problems, because hubic.com is TLS version-intolerant; it'll only use TLSv1.0 (and does NOT negotiate with TLSv1.1/TLSv1.2) with AES-256, AES-128 or 3DES, with RSA and no forward secrecy.
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[1] http://www.nongnu.org/duplicity/CHANGELOG
[2] http://duplicity.nongnu.org/duplicity.1.html#sect17
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Actually hubiC doesn't want you to use its API unless you're a developer, which means you must pass the steps necessary to "create an application", after which you will be able to use all API calls. It's burdensome but doable.
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Have you found a better alternative for duplicity backups?
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Love the services, but the billing system must cost them a huge amount of customers - both customers that find it too time consuming, or customers that forget and are forcibly ejected!
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[+] [-] zeeed|11 years ago|reply
My experience is about half a year old now but back then it has been a horrible piece of engineering not only from the client but also from their website (EULA in french only).
Personally, I felt it was not good value for money but rather a cheap service that I wouldn't want to trust with my data let alone backups.
[+] [-] icebraining|11 years ago|reply
That said, I'd rather have my backups on many cheap providers than on a single expensive one. There are inherent risks in relying on a single company.
[+] [-] lifeisstillgood|11 years ago|reply
This is like the fragmented 20TB hard disk (considers the magnetic upper limit) - even if you had a disk that size the seek times would mean months to take the data off.
It's nice to have but the uplift needs to occur throughout the whole network for there to be benefit.
[+] [-] icebraining|11 years ago|reply
We're far from the country with the fastest connections, but even here you can get one where it would only take 20 days to upload, and less than a day to download everything, for less than $30/month (and that includes cable TV and a landline with free calls).
[+] [-] philtar|11 years ago|reply
The vast majority of us can benefit from this. If not your home computers, then your VPSs or something like that.
[+] [-] dheera|11 years ago|reply
The seek times don't matter if you want to read large chunks of data, it's the sustained read/write speeds that do, and it certainly won't take months. Also, I don't think we'll be using magnetic disks for much longer. 1 TB SSD's can be had for <$400 already.
> It's nice to have but the uplift needs to occur throughout the whole network for there to be benefit.
That uplift is happening. South Korea, Japan, and several US cities can already do symmetric gigabit connections to homes at very affordable prices. The world will follow with time.
[+] [-] userbinator|11 years ago|reply
Despite having a connection that is advertised for 50Mbps down - and I have achieved that speed when accessing hosts relatively close to me - the average speeds I get among all the sites I visit and download files big enough to notice the speed from would appear to be in the 1-2Mbps range.
[+] [-] SXX|11 years ago|reply
For example you may want way to backup huge video files, panoramic photos or any other huge files. Obvious solution is your own storage, but usually you'll want at least one extra backup point because HDD these days a lot less reliable than cloud services.
> The upload time / cost must be enormous (on my home DSL it would take all year to upload.
It's sad that not everyone around the world have fast internet connection, but with 100Mb/s it's would take just about 10 days. I personally don't have that fast speed, but from my experience Microsoft OneDrive can handle like 70Mb/s upload just fine.
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I'm using OVH for other services (dns, servers) and I'm quite happy with their services though.
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https://hubic.com/en/data-security
[+] [-] AlyssaRowan|11 years ago|reply
Well, duplicity can usually use it. You may have connection problems, because hubic.com is TLS version-intolerant; it'll only use TLSv1.0 (and does NOT negotiate with TLSv1.1/TLSv1.2) with AES-256, AES-128 or 3DES, with RSA and no forward secrecy.
Not what I wanted to see.
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