[praxeologist]

>Even though some of the people operating the government are criminals, the function of government is necessary

History disproves that a government (geographic monopoly on arbitration and security) is necessary for maintaining civil order. Of course, you aren't taught this history in state education.

I'm most familiar with the polycentric legal order of medieval Iceland, which lasted longer than the US has so far, so I will point there first.

https://mises.org/library/medieval-iceland-and-absence-gover...

Medieval Ireland is similar but there's less good info. See also the Law Merchant and Zomia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lex_mercatoria

http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/14/the-undiscov...

>but it's still important for civilians to get involved in moving the government toward that goal.

Actually, I'm quite proud that I don't vote or otherwise trouble myself with electoral politics as a whole.

http://voluntaryist.com/nonvoting/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKANfuq_92U (Myth of the Rational Voter by Caplan)

I think it's important that more people start to recognize government for the evil that it is and build businesses that help keep money out of gov't coffers rather than keep heading down the blind alley you suggest.

If you are an honest person, you'd now would admit you are wrong that gov't is necessary. You just don't know the history yet. Who's really the black and white extremist here? It's okay, I'm familiar that the majority of statists like yourself are oblivious to their Stockholm syndrome and hardened indoctrination. (The rest may be able to see gov't for what it is but lack the creativity to start to work toward alternate solutions.)

You seem pretty set that this gov't thing is necessary. There's at least a few thousand abolitionists like myself ready to pioneer the land a state is willing to cede. Let's go grey baby. Are you even open to the idea you could be wrong?

[bildung]

Besides the fact that this also was quite a bloody period of Icelandic history, the population also most probably was below 50000, which is the census result of 1703.

If you have no population to speak of, and practically everyone is a subsistence farmer/fisherman, and you have a population density of about one person per square mile, then yes, you don't much coordination/government.

[praxeologist]

Qualify "bloody". You can say it all you want, but once the polycentric system fell to the cultural perks and a new monopoly given to the church and chaos ensued, the people begged the king of Denmark for a relative stability.

We're talking about many centuries before your irrelevant census point. A 2 or 20 person society is relevant on a theoretical level.

Go look on wikipedia for the earliest abolition of slavery:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abolition_of_slavery_timeline

>1117: Slavery abolished in Iceland.

After the early rush of settlers, the need for external slaves became unnecessary because the population eclipsed exploitable resources.

Whatever bullshit objection like small population or they are "backwards" subsistence farmers is irrelevant to the fact that civil order was maintained by polycentric law for 3 centuries. Could it work today? Your type won't even allow the experiment so people are forced into schemes like seasteading or "free cities" in Central America.

[mauricemir]

Erm Medivil Iceland was tiny society and prone to generational feuds settled by axe murder.

Can you actually make a real case in teh real world that "government" in some for is not nesercery?

[praxeologist]

Your summary of medieval Iceland displays your ignorance. Go read the article I linked and see Byock from UCLA if you will only crack open mainstream history. Byock supports the history just fails to recognize the polycentric and anarchist interpretation.

The point is that society functioned well and civil order, viz. not the chaos that "anarchy" is assumed, was maintained for longer than the US has existed. In the grand scale of history medieval Iceland succeeded almost 3x as long as the democracy you surely worship has been unquestioned as superior (just ~100 years now).

>Can you actually make a real case in teh real world that "government" in some for is not nesercery?

Let's gloss over that Lex Mercatoria why don't we. Yeah, I missed mentioning my #2 area of knowledge, Xeer customary law in Somalia. The quality of life there has improved vastly despite the UN insurgency (see proof in my past comments from CIA/World Bank stats).

Wait, I can just hear it now, "warlords". I'll spare myself the time responding to ignorant people like you and just drop one more link. Maybe one day I will be bestowed the honor to silence those who disagree and remain happy in my ignorance without reading.

http://daviddfriedman.com/Academic/Course_Pages/Legal_System...