[stolio]

Can we just be honest about this? The EFF hates the DMCA and I think it's clouding their judgement. They need to separate their very good fight against the abuses of copyright law from this ridiculous fight to let people do stupid and dangerous things to their cars.

If they have a better tool than the DMCA to keep the average person from defeating safety features built in to their car, they should say it. But any system strong enough to ensure there's no dangerous code running in any cars on the road will be opposed by the EFF because it would be a whole new level of surveillance.

[MichaelGG]

... Did we read the same article? The EFF is arguing exactly that. They say that if the transportation authorities deem it necessary to regulate then fine. But they haven't. Abusing the DMCA instead is just stupid and wrong.

[stolio]

We did read the same article, but I don't think it was very consistent throughout. Their opening statement is this:

> EFF is fighting for vehicle owners’ rights to inspect the code that runs their vehicles and to repair and modify their vehicles, or have a mechanic of their choice do the work.

So I see "inspect" as read access, "repair and modify" as write access and I think what would we do if we had read-write access to our cars? Relly think about that one for a second.

I disagree with the "regulation will be enough" idea in the same way I understand the law regulates people from entering my house but I still lock my door.

Later in the article they go into why the DMCA is the wrong tool for the job and they're probably right, this shouldn't be done in the name of ending music piracy.