[craigwblake]

> Big deal. It is not as if it is something hard to DIY if you are committed to breaking the law.

And, for the most part, it has little to do with breaking the law. In many places, including the vast majority of the U.S., DIY weapons (with a few exceptions) are perfectly legal provided you are not a prohibited person.

> I think that is the stuff that both sides of second amendment shouting match fail to get - inventing deadly stuff is easy.

What makes you think that 2A supporters fail to understand this? The ubiquitous availability of deadly weapons of all forms is a common theme in the utilitarian argument against gun control.

[venomsnake]

That the debate is pointless. That if we take away some toys, people will just use others, so what is the point of defending firearms ownership. On the other hand - even with strict gun control gun violence probably won't be reduced ... you need good jobs to make the young males not taking stupid risks and better mental health care for the psychos.

And the feds actually have lots of tools with which to reduce gun ownership legally ... seems the whole issue is alive mostly because it channels away energy from the real issues.