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peveechi | 11 years ago

(Sorry for the long delay; new accounts are somewhat throttled.)

The article you link to doesn't support your claims. It explicitly states that Gnome 3.14 (which, btw, is only one revision ago, since Gnome uses the old Linux kernel version scheme) would still support ConsoleKit (i.e. a non-systemd codepath). In fact, Gnome 3.16 still supports ConsoleKit, at least in gdm (see the configure-option here [1]). Can you point out commits where non-systemd support was removed in Gnome 3.14?

And what exactly do you mean by "redirected the systemd calls"? Gnome calls certain methods on certain D-Bus objects; if there is a process on OpenBSD that receives these method calls and acts appropriately, why not call that implementing that particular interface?

I don't want to diminish the amount of work that went into this port. I find it really great that someone is doing all that work. But I don't think that the picture you paint of this is entirely accurate. You assume that the OpenBSD-guys hate systemd. That might be the case (it probably is for a lot of them), but I don't think that this has anything to do with this video. If the video e.g. had shown that they removed any reference to systemd whatsoever from the Gnome code and inserted some sneering comments, I might agree with your conclusion. But it simply shows that they succeded in porting Gnome 3.16 to OpenBSD.

How would this video have had to look, to persuade you of the opposite (i.e. that there were OpenBSD developers that love systemd)?

1. https://git.gnome.org/browse/gdm/tree/configure.ac?id=3.16.0...

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anonbanker|11 years ago

a positive mention of systemd somewhere would be a good start. Hell, a positive mention of systemd anywhere on an openbsd package maintainer's site would be worth settling for.

As for dbus objects, GNOME calls systemd's interfaces to dbus, not dbus directly[1]. Calling dbus, which is already fully supported in *BSD, would be far preferable, and we might not even be having this dicsussion if they did.

here's another post with a tad more information on what GNOME needed in order to work on BSD (or even Slackware!)[1][2]. There was a lot of work in this release, and in no way am I attempting to diminish their work. I merely wished to make it clear that systemd was an obstacle they did not reimplement, but rather overcame with the use of shims.

1. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9363060 2. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9362050 3. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9362054