[fat0wl]

my company is "totally agile" (they wish) and it gives the management layer something to do cuz they are analyzing JIRA all day coming up with horse-shit charts, so of course they keep pushing all of it like its solving high-level organizational issues in ways we will experience tangibly sometime by 2018...

if you got rid of all that process infrastructure and just had a few programmers discussing proper design patterns now & then our company would be lightyears ahead of where it is now. i think everything becomes cargo cult when you refocus technical people onto processes that discourage technicality to make management feel fuzzy about their stats. people aren't more productive now, they are just gaming the agile system

process planning has its place i just feel like its becoming the focal point of discussion rather than a means to it. bureaucracies will continue to grow, what can you do other than look for a job with a more technical group that is focused on code?

i'm a former academic, i was astronomically more productive in that setting and there were no real process restrictions imposed at all. people need to be cultured into code & self-education, not process. optimize process once there is a good technical core in place, not in lieu of one

(i've also noticed that fake agile just promotes a lack of requirements docs from business... in that case i'd be better off doing damn waterfall with a half-decent reqs doc anyway...)

[XorNot]

Urgh Jira. Jira symbolizes the entire problem. Issue and task tracking where the actual issue and tasks are 3 layers deep from the main interface, and graphs and burn down charts are front and centre. It's all carefully architected to appeal and sell to the managers who buy it, rather then the dev's who use it.

Contrast to something like GitHub, where code is front and center, and issues are a flat list and which has no other BS cluttering it up. Why? Because GitHub isn't selling a product to managers first - it's selling to to dev's first (via getting them in on open source).

[CHY872]

Jira has its moments, especially for larger teams. I've seen it used for large projects, and there GitHub Issues would be garbage.

You can ditch a lot of the cruft from Jira by making your own dashboard etc.