[waps]

It is funny to see you squirm in your arguments. Again you don't answer the arguments, you beat around the bush. How much more squirming before you admit the truth ?

> You should hear what today's scholars say about this issue. Marriage is not to be forced upon the girl, and if a person (male or female) is not able to tolerate it (physically and mentally), then the marriage contract cannot go through.

Hey now you just implied that the prophet did something wrong, despite wurming your way around saying so, and failing miserably. Was the prophet justified in raping a 6 year old ? Do you agree with that act or not ... I would also like to point out that marriage at 6 years, or even 9 was very much not a common occurance. For obvious reasons, most cultures (including islam, when the prophet is not trying to rape a young girl) find that marriage should occur no earlier than 12 (we both know what is meant here, let's just say earlier results in "damages to the body" and leave it at that), and generally happened around 14. Romans generally married later, if they married at all (like in Judaism at the time, marriage was a contract, which implied among other things that it couldn't be entered into before adulthood, and can't be entered into by parents on their children's behalf. A roman contract was between equals, so for it to make sense for a man and a woman to get married, this implied that both had significant assets (like a store, a caravan, for example, something)).

Oh and if you wish to be truly and completely disgusted by islam, google for the word "thighing", which is related to Aisha's wedding according to the highest religious authorities in Saudi Arabia (but I'm sure you know more about islam, right ?). Why don't you defend the meaning of that word ? (extremely NSFW, and frankly, just NS). In 1500 years of English there was no need for that word in the language. But now we have muslims speaking English. Feel proud, man, feel very proud.

To be frank, if you find yourself in a situation where you would have to admit Romans responded more moral than you did, you are a very immoral human being indeed. These are the people that lined the road between 2 major cities with crosses and nailed (upper estimates) almost 5000 people to those crosses, and let them die from hunger and thirst, feeding them acid when they asked for water (and if they were lucky enough). Yet those people are far better human beings than your paedophilic massacring prophet.

And if you are a decent human being and find the sale and barter in human beings despicable, never mind "agreements" about having sex with 6 year olds, what does that tell you about islam itself ?

> The last part of the verse is: "And whosoever does not judge by what Allah has revealed, such are the Kafirun" (i.e. disbelievers - of a lesser degree as they do not act on Allah's Laws).

You squirm you way around this don't you ? It specifically mentions that these people are like the Jews. Do tell, if a muslim becomes a Jew, which is what this verse compares knowingly violating sharia compares to, what is to happen to them ?

And if you want, we can go over the story of the group of muslims that "accepted islam", then moved away against the wishes of the prophet. He had them massacred. You know this story, or at least, I've heard too many young muslims say that it was told to them in school. Don't you think someone making a religious judgement might take that sort of story into account ?

I'm behaving like your paedophilic prophet here : http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/0...

After all, if religious people avoid killing for their religion, what does your prophet do ? Well he points out they really should kill, and threatens them (unless you call surrounding them with an execution squad of muslims something other than a threat).

I love that story, because it reveals true morality, and the very essence of what is good in the world :

> So both of them were stoned at the Balat and I saw the Jew sheltering the Jewess.

Of course it is the sinner, who is put to death, who shows us the true meaning of good. I hope that I am capable of showing such greatness at some point, but to be frank, I doubt I am half as moral as that Jew. Islam's prophet is the one inciting muslims and Jews to kill very moral people, even when they don't want to.

Are you proud of your religion ? It is despicable.

I know of course that islam is not based on rational reasoning like Christianity and to a lesser degree Judaism is, but you're pathetic. You keep defending paedophilic rape, should we next start discussing Khaybar and what happened there perhaps ? How it is "totally" different from massacring, raiding and stealing. How "allah" declared peace treaties invalid, which of course made the massacre A-ok ? Or should we talk about how entire tribes should be massacred over a lover's quarrel ? How islam agrees with all that ?

Or should we simply agree that islam is a despicable, disgusting and immoral ideology ?

> Claim needs citation. It is quite an absurd claim, as if that were indeed the case, then Islam would never have caught on.

http://www.sultan.org/books/bukhari/060.htm#006.060.311

Why don't you interpret for me what she meant here ? Or should we discuss one of the "it was then that the revelaton X was sent down" verses perhaps ? I remember reading one that mentions laughter went around the muslims when the timing of revelations was mentioned.

Or how about we revisit the whole "allah has 3 daughters" saga ? It'd be funny to hear your response to the timing of the revelation that that verse of the quran was wrong, or the mere fact that quran says about itself that it is wrong, or at least, can and has been improved ... It is only truth as long as the paedophilic prophet feels it convenient according to hadith.

[DanBC]

Your racist islamophobic baiting is really fucking unpleasant.

[azth]

So now you're no longer responding to my request about listing a reference that the death penalty is to be enforced on Muslims living in non-Muslim lands, or it be enforced on Muslims who knowingly commit any sin.

Also, I'm still waiting for a reference you claimed to have that Aisha was wed to the Prophet Peace be upon him as a contract for AbuBakr's succession...

> Hey now you just implied that the prophet did something wrong

No. I specifically said he did not do anything outside the norm of that time. The Arab pagans were waiting on him to do anything different from the norm to criticize him, but they never did.

> which is related to Aisha's wedding according to the highest religious authorities in Saudi Arabia

Again, put your citation as to who are these "highest religious authorities in Saudi Arabia", and what exactly they said.

> It specifically mentions that these people are like the Jews.

It's not really my problem if you can't comprehend simple English. The Ayah does not mention that these people are "like the Jews"; it is explicitly talking about the Messengers, Scholars, and Rabbis, who were upholding the law on the Jews. It says that the Torah was a light from God to be used by the former to judge the latter. Again, complete construing on your part.

> http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/hadith/bukhari/0....

If you read the incident, it is saying that those two Jews themselves accepted what was mentioned in the Torah. Even today, you will find the same penalty in the Torah.

> Why don't you interpret for me what she meant here

Perhaps you can find someone to translate this for you: http://tinyurl.com/nrjwjpd

Secondly, this quote does not imply in any way what you originally mentioned. Aishah is one of the highest regarded sources from whom to take Hadith and religion.

> Or how about we revisit the whole "allah has 3 daughters" saga ?

The story is false. If you have basic commandment of how the Hadith was documented you would be able to answer yourself here.

It seems you are just throwing out claims, some of which are documented as falsified, and some completely made up, without responding to my requests to cite references for these claims. I won't waste my time responding to a person who is purposefully twisting and making up stories, as well as refusing to respond to my rebuttals.

[selimthegrim]

How on earth can you call a tribal supremacist fairy tale and its reworked descendant fertility cult "based on rational reasoning"? I shudder to think of what else is getting past your filters if those are your standards.

[waps]

It is generally accepted that Lucas, Matthew, Luke and John were educated Greeks (a publican, student,and a physician), who were educated in the philosophy of reason. So was the council that collected these works into the New Testament.

In contrast islam's holy "books" were mostly orally transmitted for the first ~100 years by soldiers. The quran is a sorted list of things most of said soldiers agreed upon. The hadith is most of the things they didn't quite agree upon.