The Google Photo recognition and auto-management looks pretty cool; except that:
1. Why would I hand over my photos to a third party, that, quite ostensibly, is capable of indexing and tagging it by face- and location-recognition and store on their storage. I used to trust Google with most of my information, but I've been slowly transitioning them away to either local, or a home-brew solution.
2. What I noticed for the first time is not the cool new shiny things, but the absence of Hangouts and Google+ features. Did they get completely abandoned, or are they to be covered later? It seems like a Google style to make some AI-enhanced or Google-flavored version of pre-existing service(be it RSS, social media, you name it), let it get hyped because "Google", then abandon it when it doesn't reach some internal target.
Honestly, while I definitely agree that they're all cool stuff, but I do not see myself using those features; it's more of a trust issues over convenience. Just my two cents.
> Why would I hand over my photos to a third party, that, quite ostensibly, is capable of indexing and tagging it by face- and location-recognition and store on their storage
Many people consider all of those to be features: cloud storage means you don't lose things when your phone is stolen or your laptop dies and most people have far more photos than they have the tools or time to organize. Intelligently clustering them based on location, faces, content type, etc. benefits from lots of CPU time and a big training corpus, which is exactly what Google excels at.
That's not to say that there aren't valid concerns about privacy but look at how many people use Gmail or Facebook to estimate what percentage of the computer using public considers that a reasonable deal for a free service.
> 1. Why would I hand over my photos to a third party, that, quite ostensibly, is capable of indexing and tagging it by face- and location-recognition and store on their storage. I used to trust Google with most of my information, but I've been slowly transitioning them away to either local, or a home-brew solution.
For the same reason you'd hand over your email to them? Fast, UI, search, cloud whatever, etc etc. If you don't trust them with that, though, then yes, it follows quite naturally you shouldn't give them your photos. Not really a shocker.
Google tracks what physical retail stores you visit[1][2] on Android phones and iPhones(if you use Google Maps app). People don't care about that, do you think really think they will care about photos? Actually, scratch that, most people don't even know that Google tracks your phone location for store visits if you use location services or Google Now.
>Google cited two case studies of retailers that have been testing this metric. PetSmart’s estimated store visits data showed that 10 to 18 percent of clicks on search ads lead to a store visit.
> Why would I hand over my photos to a third party, that, quite ostensibly, is capable of indexing and tagging it by face- and location-recognition and store on their storage.
"You're the product". I guess the data is used to enhance machine learning, that's why they also offer "unlimited" storage now (although it's compressed with yet to see what quality).
I wonder though if the image indexing etc will have the ability to opt-out from. There's also a question if there will be a good syncing tool to upload existing photos from the desktop device and keep it synced, Google Drive and Photos didn't like each other in the past.
Heck, Gingerbread is at 6% versus 10% for Lollipop cumulative. And 5.0 has 9 times the adoption of 5.1. Instead of announcing a new Android version, why not announce how you're going to get new versions of Android onto devices already in wild? And if Google wants to blame the OEMs for this, the OEM you owned when I got my Motorola X (and still owned when you shipped 5.0!) still hasn't been updated. It's absurd.
I dunno, blaming Google for phones not being updated (Other than their branded phones or course), is a bit like blaming Linus Torvalds when routers still use a 2.6.x kernel version. When something is open and able for anyone to do with as they please, it's only natural that the devices it lives on can't be controlled the same.
I'd also add that the new App permissions won't be seen on versions prior to M, developers will have to support both for now when targeting the app for M.
So if judging by L, this means new App permissions will be on less then 10% of devices 6 months after release.
Edit: Asks when needed, not at install time. Focus on the web with Chrome custom tabs looks good too. I only got 5.1.1 today but 6? (M...) looks great from the small amount seen so far.
Does anyone also find the "App link" a step back ? I thought getting a dialog where to open the Intent in is actually an awesome feature of the Android platform, now user will get thrown into whatever app will be defined on the server. Also let me check my crystal ball and predict that this will take a long time to be adapted by "big" companies, just like the design guidelines.
App permissions and copy/paste changes are welcomed, but I got a sense they finally caved in and just copied how some other mobile OS handles it (which is not bad, since it was always better there).
They glossed over this awfully quick in their keynote, but spent a whole lot of time talking about "custom tabs" for Chrome on Android...
And the "granularity" of the permissions seemed on par with the permissions categories they introduced to Play a while back. Meaning that once you ok the use of, say, speakers, the same app can get access to anything inside the same category of permissions...
I hope "phone" includes phone number, as Android has a bad track record of leaking your cellphone number to every single app (and ad network) that you install.
I doubt it does, as Google had made it quite clear they don't consider your cell phone number personal information (but DO consider your email address). I am just waiting until it blows up in their faces, when spammers and scammers start utilising the hole.
Excited about Weave. Not sure about Brillo. It is unnecessary. Most IoT things are low power Cortex-M devices that need to do very little and are very low power consumption. You don't have SDRAM, or a fancy OS and don't need it. There are plenty free and non-free RTOS available for those chips for whoever needs them.
Interesting talks, even though the style of every single presenter so far indicates they must have watched a lot of TED talks and subscribed for at least a year to a toaster club in the south bay.
Once again, embarrassingly, every single reference to the 'developing world' is stereotypical.
New protocol for "Internet of Things" called Weave. Looks like it's going to use JSON or type-compatible. They didn't address why existing solutions aren't good.
If they had announced how open and free their new standard was to use, I might have taken notice, but as it stands it is a Google-owned "standard" which likely only Google would use.
> New protocol for "Internet of Things" called Weave.
From past news articles, "Weave" -- with that name -- has been Nest's protocol for a long time. What seems to be new is availability outside of Nest/Google.
Surprised nobody's commented yet about the jarring juxtaposition of the running chat that reflects the sentiment of average Youtube viewers alongside content that's meant for a fairly specific audience (developers).
Or rather... how discouraging it is that it IS such a juxtaposition.
It's well-known by now that Youtube is not the place to go to find quality discussion. It still stings a little bit to see it applied in realtime to people you care about, even if it is just because you loosely share a profession and professional culture.
"what if we could use google's unique capabilities to help people take back control of their digital lives?
and then the 3 central ideas:
1. a home for all your photos, and videos. A private, and safe place place to keep a life-time of memories, available from any device.
2. help you organize and bring your moments to life. an app that takes the work out of photos and lets you focus on making memories, not managing them.
3. make it easy to share and save what matters. Sharing should be simple and reliable, and when you're on the receiving end, it should be easy to hold on to the photos and videos you care about.
.. then he moves the presentation to show all the data mining that they do on the photos, how they extract information about who is on the photos, which places where those taken, which tags the google's machinery could found from them
.. and for the big final, they announce unlimited free storage!
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so how exactly will google help users take back control of their digital life?
Actually I think this is completely ridiculous point , because G+ and hangout as far as I can remember installed on nexus [you aware enough to know that they use nexus device for demonstration ] by default , so they cannot show the app permission dialog because all default app granted all permission by default .
I wonder how much power running the accelerometer uses? It isn't free to keep track of that. Back on my Note (1) Samsung had a bunch of gestures related to the accelerometer, and leaving them enabled drained a significant amount of battery.
"Unlimited free storage" for photos is not exactly a new thing. It was already unlimited before with Google+ Photos, the catch was that it will automatically resize your photos to be smaller than 2048x2048 (about 4MP). Now they're just bumping the limit to 16MP.
It does, it'll receive security updates only as part of the new devices policy - 2 years for major updates, 3 years for security updates.[1] It is a bit sour though to deprecate a device with a quad-core CPU and 2GB of RAM, while low range devices launched last year will get M.
I'm extremely excited about Expeditions - VR for schools (and other people/institutions at some point, I guess) can have great impact on how we learn. This is a long term investment, with better educational system we'll get more innovators and, I hope, better world.
JUMP (camera rig & assembly) is cool too and I hope it won't share the same fate as Glass. In general, seeing all the progress in the VR world makes me feel that we're at the edge of another technological revolution (and it's great that Google wants to bring this experience to everyone, or at least the viewers as the camera ring won't be cheap). I have a great dose of skepticism, of course, but I plan to learn as much as possible about developing for VR platforms in the coming months - can you suggest good resources for this? What languages are the best bet? What concepts are the most important ones? I'd appreciate all suggestions.
[+] [-] niuzeta|10 years ago|reply
1. Why would I hand over my photos to a third party, that, quite ostensibly, is capable of indexing and tagging it by face- and location-recognition and store on their storage. I used to trust Google with most of my information, but I've been slowly transitioning them away to either local, or a home-brew solution.
2. What I noticed for the first time is not the cool new shiny things, but the absence of Hangouts and Google+ features. Did they get completely abandoned, or are they to be covered later? It seems like a Google style to make some AI-enhanced or Google-flavored version of pre-existing service(be it RSS, social media, you name it), let it get hyped because "Google", then abandon it when it doesn't reach some internal target.
Honestly, while I definitely agree that they're all cool stuff, but I do not see myself using those features; it's more of a trust issues over convenience. Just my two cents.
[+] [-] acdha|10 years ago|reply
Many people consider all of those to be features: cloud storage means you don't lose things when your phone is stolen or your laptop dies and most people have far more photos than they have the tools or time to organize. Intelligently clustering them based on location, faces, content type, etc. benefits from lots of CPU time and a big training corpus, which is exactly what Google excels at.
That's not to say that there aren't valid concerns about privacy but look at how many people use Gmail or Facebook to estimate what percentage of the computer using public considers that a reasonable deal for a free service.
[+] [-] eugenekolo2|10 years ago|reply
[+] [-] magicalist|10 years ago|reply
For the same reason you'd hand over your email to them? Fast, UI, search, cloud whatever, etc etc. If you don't trust them with that, though, then yes, it follows quite naturally you shouldn't give them your photos. Not really a shocker.
[+] [-] jfuhrman|10 years ago|reply
>Google cited two case studies of retailers that have been testing this metric. PetSmart’s estimated store visits data showed that 10 to 18 percent of clicks on search ads lead to a store visit.
[1] http://digiday.com/platforms/google-tracking/
[2] http://searchengineland.com/google-store-visits-estimated-co...
[+] [-] tdkl|10 years ago|reply
"You're the product". I guess the data is used to enhance machine learning, that's why they also offer "unlimited" storage now (although it's compressed with yet to see what quality).
I wonder though if the image indexing etc will have the ability to opt-out from. There's also a question if there will be a good syncing tool to upload existing photos from the desktop device and keep it synced, Google Drive and Photos didn't like each other in the past.
[+] [-] bluedino|10 years ago|reply
[+] [-] joezydeco|10 years ago|reply
I'm curious about Google Photos but if Google had proclaimed "you must be a Google+ user to get this" then I wouldn't even give it a try.
I could see it being a hook into Google+ at some later point in time if/when there's momentum.
[+] [-] KB1JWQ|10 years ago|reply
My faith in Google's ability / willingness to support these types of projects long term is minimal at best.
[+] [-] cwyers|10 years ago|reply
http://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html
Heck, Gingerbread is at 6% versus 10% for Lollipop cumulative. And 5.0 has 9 times the adoption of 5.1. Instead of announcing a new Android version, why not announce how you're going to get new versions of Android onto devices already in wild? And if Google wants to blame the OEMs for this, the OEM you owned when I got my Motorola X (and still owned when you shipped 5.0!) still hasn't been updated. It's absurd.
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[+] [-] tdkl|10 years ago|reply
So if judging by L, this means new App permissions will be on less then 10% of devices 6 months after release.
[+] [-] neumino|10 years ago|reply
[+] [-] jsingleton|10 years ago|reply
Edit: Asks when needed, not at install time. Focus on the web with Chrome custom tabs looks good too. I only got 5.1.1 today but 6? (M...) looks great from the small amount seen so far.
[+] [-] tdkl|10 years ago|reply
App permissions and copy/paste changes are welcomed, but I got a sense they finally caved in and just copied how some other mobile OS handles it (which is not bad, since it was always better there).
[+] [-] digi_owl|10 years ago|reply
And the "granularity" of the permissions seemed on par with the permissions categories they introduced to Play a while back. Meaning that once you ok the use of, say, speakers, the same app can get access to anything inside the same category of permissions...
[+] [-] Someone1234|10 years ago|reply
I hope "phone" includes phone number, as Android has a bad track record of leaking your cellphone number to every single app (and ad network) that you install.
I doubt it does, as Google had made it quite clear they don't consider your cell phone number personal information (but DO consider your email address). I am just waiting until it blows up in their faces, when spammers and scammers start utilising the hole.
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[+] [-] jsingleton|10 years ago|reply
http://gizmodo.com/get-ready-for-google-brillo-the-new-opera...
Edit: Not sure the cross branding will work as well as with KitKat! Ball of metal wires? :)
[+] [-] bravo22|10 years ago|reply
[+] [-] vidoc|10 years ago|reply
Once again, embarrassingly, every single reference to the 'developing world' is stereotypical.
[+] [-] zimbatm|10 years ago|reply
[+] [-] Someone1234|10 years ago|reply
If they had announced how open and free their new standard was to use, I might have taken notice, but as it stands it is a Google-owned "standard" which likely only Google would use.
[+] [-] drcode|10 years ago|reply
[+] [-] dragonwriter|10 years ago|reply
From past news articles, "Weave" -- with that name -- has been Nest's protocol for a long time. What seems to be new is availability outside of Nest/Google.
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[+] [-] georgebonnr|10 years ago|reply
Or rather... how discouraging it is that it IS such a juxtaposition.
It's well-known by now that Youtube is not the place to go to find quality discussion. It still stings a little bit to see it applied in realtime to people you care about, even if it is just because you loosely share a profession and professional culture.
[+] [-] minthd|10 years ago|reply
To solve this problem, i use the AlienTube firefox extension, which brings reddit discussions over to youtube.
[+] [-] jsingleton|10 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] jfuhrman|10 years ago|reply
Interesting, I didn't know that every cast was reported back to the mothership.
[+] [-] _lce0|10 years ago|reply
"what if we could use google's unique capabilities to help people take back control of their digital lives?
and then the 3 central ideas:
1. a home for all your photos, and videos. A private, and safe place place to keep a life-time of memories, available from any device.
2. help you organize and bring your moments to life. an app that takes the work out of photos and lets you focus on making memories, not managing them.
3. make it easy to share and save what matters. Sharing should be simple and reliable, and when you're on the receiving end, it should be easy to hold on to the photos and videos you care about.
.. then he moves the presentation to show all the data mining that they do on the photos, how they extract information about who is on the photos, which places where those taken, which tags the google's machinery could found from them
.. and for the big final, they announce unlimited free storage!
---
so how exactly will google help users take back control of their digital life?
call me suspicious? I'm staying out.
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I hope it doesn't mean that Nexus 4 is already end of life ?
[+] [-] tdkl|10 years ago|reply
[1]http://www.androidpolice.com/2015/05/23/rumor-android-m-will...
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JUMP (camera rig & assembly) is cool too and I hope it won't share the same fate as Glass. In general, seeing all the progress in the VR world makes me feel that we're at the edge of another technological revolution (and it's great that Google wants to bring this experience to everyone, or at least the viewers as the camera ring won't be cheap). I have a great dose of skepticism, of course, but I plan to learn as much as possible about developing for VR platforms in the coming months - can you suggest good resources for this? What languages are the best bet? What concepts are the most important ones? I'd appreciate all suggestions.
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