I have been running the technical previews since the very start and I have to say I am quite surprised at the July 29th release date. Even today's builds are riddled with problems. They have a lot of work to do if they really think it will be consumer ready by the end of July.
I'm a Mac user so I don't care too much. However, a lot of how Windows 10 will be perceived is from the online perception created. Most people in the world don't care about the little bugs, features, etc. They simply want to know if it's worth getting. If Windows 10 is reasonably good and tons of people upgrade from XP, for example, this will be a huge win for Microsoft and the entire community. If "reviewers" complain that Cortana can't read your mind and people start comparing her to Clippy, it will generate bad buzz that's not really justified.
9 out of 10 computers run Windows. Let's try to make it a version that's from 2015.
The "AeroGlass" theme was beautiful and my hardware is fast enough - sure some low end mobile hardware can't handle it.
Will Win10 RTM still requires a Microsoft Outlook/Live/Passport/Hotmail-Account? The non-obvious small almost hidden "offline" profile option during Windows install wizard is not okay. It should be an equal option.
And for OneDrive and Cortana there should be an option to disable them and remove them from the interface in all Win10 editions, not just an option in the Enterprise edition.
It seems to me that Microsoft still doesn't care about a larger sizeable margin of the user base at all. Well I don't care that much about Win10, my beloved Win7 is supported til 2022.
Maybe they try to emulate Apple again. Like how they have released Yosemite with so many deficiencies, one of which, the wifi problem still haunts my Mac after seven months.
It's the "lean startup" mantra often accepted in the startup world of "Ship early, ship often", but not the software world. Kind of ironic in my opinion.
This makes me especially reticent to redeem the 'free upgrade' offer. I don't expect my machines to be bricked on update, but I'd rather play it safe until an acceptable level of stability is reached (per online response).
Will there be a way to buy a digital download of it?
I recently wanted to bootcamp my Macbook Pro to play some games Windows-only games. I went to Microsoft's website and looked at the options for buying Windows 8. The only options were a retail DVD which would be shipped (and I don't have a DVD drive) or to upgrade from Windows Vista/Windows 7 which I had neither of.
I ended up pirating it because I couldn't figure out how to get a legitimate copy that I could actually install. :(
I haven't used Windows since XP, and 8 is really nice. I'm legitimately excited for Windows 10 especially due to all the open sourcing of .NET-related code recently.
I would not recommend installing windows 10 on a Mac to play games at this moment, I did it using boot camp and it was horrible, poor driver support for my video card (rMBP) so I end up installing a windows 7 which gives me about 3 times more fps per game compared to w10, and about twice as fast as windows 8.1, also my mouse seems lagging when gaming in both 8.1 and 10, works perfect on 7 thought.
You can get a digital download of the Technical Preview now - I'd do that. They've announced that Windows 10 will be free to all Technical Preview participants. That way you can upgrade to the latest version and away you go.
While I get the consensus opinion of the other people who have replied to your comment, I think you and I feel another missed opportunity here. A notable audience for Microsoft is the PC enthusiast—people who use multiple 4K monitors connected to powerful workstations.
One of the disasters of Windows 8 was viewing full-screen Metro applications on a 39" 4K monitor. It would have been funny—heck, it was funny—but it was also tragic. It was a touchstone of how utterly out of touch Windows 8 was with desktop computing.
When Microsoft shows silhouettes of all of the Windows 10 platforms, one should be a 3-monitor monster desktop workstation, the kind of PC that some of us own and love. In not showing something truly high-end, they make us feel like high-productivity computing is no longer a focus of Microsoft.
Hmm it seems difficult to find statistics that separate desktop boxes from laptops (I see separation of desktop and laptop va ultraportable) but I think the trend is less desktops and more laptops. So I'm not entirely surprised.
Honestly I constantly built my own towers for years but these past 3 or 4 years I haven't even booted a desktop tower; laptops are just so good nowadays and I can pick it up and go or dock it with multiple monitors it almost seems silly to do a tower anymore. Obviously there are still plenty of power user use cases or high end gaming to consider but many laptops can do a lot of that well enough.
Fewer and fewer people. Given that laptops today can have 32 GB or RAM, Quadro cards and fast quad core CPUs, there's less and less work that requires a 'real' workstation. Even the CAD people where I work have mostly switched to laptops.
(Full disclosure: I use a workstation as my main computer both at home and at work. My laptop is mainly for traveling and computing in the sofa)
I think its an image or brand thing. MS doesn't want Window to end up too attached to a stodgy office-only world of depressing desktops. Heck, I can't even think of a good looking desktop they could use. Perhaps Lenovo's All-in-Ones? Even those just look like iMac copies.
Probably because touch is a central feature to the user interface and Microsoft wants to emphasize the touchiness. Most desktop display panels don't support touch, but a lot of recent laptops and tablets do.
I sort of feel your sentiment, but the reasons given here in the comments are all valid as far as I can tell (for the majority of people, that is, not for everyone). I'm still using workstations but am too considering laptop + dock for the next purchase. Simply because it would mean I can have one device do it all instead of two. Only if your requirements for cpu/ram/expansion are really outside the 'standard' ranges these days a workstation is required because there simply is no alternative.
However one problems with latops, or anything with a small screen which is by default not at eye level when your head is in it's standard position, is that it is probably quite bad ergonomically. I really wonder what is going to happen to all those young people spending hours with their neck bent in what seems a rather unnatural position. I am not entirely sure it really is bad nor do I have the background to argue much about it, but it just seems not right. Maybe someone with a medical background or so can chime in?
Is this always an in-place upgrade, or would there be a way to do a clean install (possibly on another pc - IIRC windows licenses are per OS instance not per machine?) for free as well?
I always wonder why they never mention how the supposedly free upgrade works. From this article and the linked FAQ I get the impression that I do not qualify for free Windows 10 forever, but that I can upgrade my Windows 8.1 installations via Windows Upgrade for a year after launch, but that my Windows license is not generally upgraded to a Windows 10 license. I take this to mean that after a year and a day, when I want to reinstall, I cannot use my current key to install some Windows 10 install image, but have to use my Win8.1 image, and since the year for free upgrades has passed, I cannot upgrade that install to Windows 10 anymore.
Or are there other infos out about this very typical scenario among IT people?
Does anyone know if I have to be with that update notification icon until then? I already gave them my address and said yes I'm interested in upgrading. Why haven't MS learned and why does it have to be standard that every program from Microsoft or anyone else needs to shit the system tray?
Is Windows a good citizen on the harddisk nowadays? I stopped trying Windows releases because they used to change my bootsector or something, so my machine suddenly only booted Windows. Instead of showing me a menu (grub?) of partitions to choose from.
I like it just to press the win key to do a (cortana) web search.
If they stay with bing as the only web search integrated into cortana google will lose some users.
Nevertheless they should implement google as an option.
It does have some small improvements (http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/09/window...) but nothing spectacular. I'd recommend you to look into MobaXterm or ConEmu running cygwin as well, I like any of those two way more then Putty actually.
If you are happy with Putty, your probably not that an advanced user. But anyway: Using ConEmu I've been happy for years. Using cygwin or msysgit below makes all very smooth.
I'm surprised by how early it'll be released, but excited about it nonetheless.
The only reason I haven't installed the tech preview and used it as my sole OS (on my gaming PC) is because I don't want to have to reinstall 8.1 in order to upgrade back to 10 once it launches.
I survived Windows 95, I can deal with BSODs and wonky features. I just want the latest. And Windows Hello, because Jarvis.
Where can I buy the laptop pictured in the announcement? It would be great if a quality PC hardware manufacturer emerged that actually made Windows 10 based laptops like this.
Do we know what "free for the first year" means yet? What about the second year? I've been running Ubuntu for personal use for about a year now. I miss steam so I might jump onto Windows 10, but not if I only find out the price after I jump in
(No relation to Microsoft, just a general observation) As far as we know, Microsoft has not categorically denied that they will create another operating system in the future. It'd be terribly stupid for them to do so.
The free for the first year has caveats but there is no scenario where we are discussing Microsoft making you pay for essential updates in the second year. In fact, while I am not a Microsoft fan I will stick my neck out and say that it is extremely unlikely that you will have to pay for updates in consumer SKU's of Microsoft Windows for the next six years. Seven years is typically the regularly advertised end of life and end of mainline support for previous versions of Microsoft Windows.
The first major caveat is that this is for existing Windows users. This offer only applies for people who currently on qualifying versions of Microsoft Windows today. If your computer came with a genuine copy of Microsoft Windows 7 or above, it is in Microsoft's best interest that you get on board with the latest version of Windows.
The second major caveat is that this is specifically not for organizations. Enterprise cash cows will remain cash cows.
I'd urge you to be skeptical and not infer any promises Microsoft has not specifically made. However, if anyone has been telling you that Microsoft will make you pay for security updates or Windows in general beginning the second year are at best incorrect and at worst maliciously spreading FUD. Of course, Microsoft isn't helping because there are so many details we don't know yet such as when is the end of life for Windows 10 (assuming I accept all updates)? There is a lot of things we don't know. However, we can say with a lot of confidence that you will not have to pay a subscription the second year of moving to Windows 10.
For what it is worth, I intend to update to Windows 10 on my personal computer as soon as possible. I also intend to stay on the fast lane of updates (more updates more often but possibly some buggy updates) once I get on Windows 10.
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Seeing as the apps they showcased were all desktop and no metro, does this mean the app store will now sell desktop apps going forward? Any word on different sandbox restrictions to go with it?
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9 out of 10 computers run Windows. Let's try to make it a version that's from 2015.
[+] [-] castell|10 years ago|reply
The "AeroGlass" theme was beautiful and my hardware is fast enough - sure some low end mobile hardware can't handle it.
Will Win10 RTM still requires a Microsoft Outlook/Live/Passport/Hotmail-Account? The non-obvious small almost hidden "offline" profile option during Windows install wizard is not okay. It should be an equal option.
And for OneDrive and Cortana there should be an option to disable them and remove them from the interface in all Win10 editions, not just an option in the Enterprise edition.
It seems to me that Microsoft still doesn't care about a larger sizeable margin of the user base at all. Well I don't care that much about Win10, my beloved Win7 is supported til 2022.
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I recently wanted to bootcamp my Macbook Pro to play some games Windows-only games. I went to Microsoft's website and looked at the options for buying Windows 8. The only options were a retail DVD which would be shipped (and I don't have a DVD drive) or to upgrade from Windows Vista/Windows 7 which I had neither of.
I ended up pirating it because I couldn't figure out how to get a legitimate copy that I could actually install. :(
I haven't used Windows since XP, and 8 is really nice. I'm legitimately excited for Windows 10 especially due to all the open sourcing of .NET-related code recently.
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One of the disasters of Windows 8 was viewing full-screen Metro applications on a 39" 4K monitor. It would have been funny—heck, it was funny—but it was also tragic. It was a touchstone of how utterly out of touch Windows 8 was with desktop computing.
When Microsoft shows silhouettes of all of the Windows 10 platforms, one should be a 3-monitor monster desktop workstation, the kind of PC that some of us own and love. In not showing something truly high-end, they make us feel like high-productivity computing is no longer a focus of Microsoft.
[+] [-] BinaryIdiot|10 years ago|reply
Honestly I constantly built my own towers for years but these past 3 or 4 years I haven't even booted a desktop tower; laptops are just so good nowadays and I can pick it up and go or dock it with multiple monitors it almost seems silly to do a tower anymore. Obviously there are still plenty of power user use cases or high end gaming to consider but many laptops can do a lot of that well enough.
[+] [-] dagw|10 years ago|reply
(Full disclosure: I use a workstation as my main computer both at home and at work. My laptop is mainly for traveling and computing in the sofa)
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* iPhone (General Use)
* Macbook Air (Development, consuming media)
* Mac Mini (Work, development)
*Windows PC (Gaming)
Also worth noting, my wife has a 2-in-1 laptop which she loves.
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However one problems with latops, or anything with a small screen which is by default not at eye level when your head is in it's standard position, is that it is probably quite bad ergonomically. I really wonder what is going to happen to all those young people spending hours with their neck bent in what seems a rather unnatural position. I am not entirely sure it really is bad nor do I have the background to argue much about it, but it just seems not right. Maybe someone with a medical background or so can chime in?
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[+] [-] cyxxon|10 years ago|reply
Or are there other infos out about this very typical scenario among IT people?
[+] [-] Robadob|10 years ago|reply
On the community discussion it's been asked without an official response yet (http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-...).
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If they stay with bing as the only web search integrated into cortana google will lose some users. Nevertheless they should implement google as an option.
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Does Microsoft have some kind of comparison table between Windows 7 and Windows 10 i can use to make an informed decision?
[+] [-] snomad|10 years ago|reply
Will Office 2016 be released the same day?
[+] [-] bovermyer|10 years ago|reply
The only reason I haven't installed the tech preview and used it as my sole OS (on my gaming PC) is because I don't want to have to reinstall 8.1 in order to upgrade back to 10 once it launches.
I survived Windows 95, I can deal with BSODs and wonky features. I just want the latest. And Windows Hello, because Jarvis.
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[+] [-] minot|10 years ago|reply
The free for the first year has caveats but there is no scenario where we are discussing Microsoft making you pay for essential updates in the second year. In fact, while I am not a Microsoft fan I will stick my neck out and say that it is extremely unlikely that you will have to pay for updates in consumer SKU's of Microsoft Windows for the next six years. Seven years is typically the regularly advertised end of life and end of mainline support for previous versions of Microsoft Windows.
The first major caveat is that this is for existing Windows users. This offer only applies for people who currently on qualifying versions of Microsoft Windows today. If your computer came with a genuine copy of Microsoft Windows 7 or above, it is in Microsoft's best interest that you get on board with the latest version of Windows.
The second major caveat is that this is specifically not for organizations. Enterprise cash cows will remain cash cows.
I'd urge you to be skeptical and not infer any promises Microsoft has not specifically made. However, if anyone has been telling you that Microsoft will make you pay for security updates or Windows in general beginning the second year are at best incorrect and at worst maliciously spreading FUD. Of course, Microsoft isn't helping because there are so many details we don't know yet such as when is the end of life for Windows 10 (assuming I accept all updates)? There is a lot of things we don't know. However, we can say with a lot of confidence that you will not have to pay a subscription the second year of moving to Windows 10.
For what it is worth, I intend to update to Windows 10 on my personal computer as soon as possible. I also intend to stay on the fast lane of updates (more updates more often but possibly some buggy updates) once I get on Windows 10.
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I wonder what Adobe and Genius think of that.
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