[jbert]

> The founders of the USA were not immigrants, they didn't immigrate to join Indian tribes, they were founders of a country.

Sorry, I'm afraid I don't understand the distinction you're drawing.

If some people move from one country to another, and the other place has people living there already, what characteristics of the move classify it as founding a country rather than immigration?

[cb18]

I wish I could believe you weren't serious, especially today, July 4. But, oh well.

The fact that there was no existing country here in the sense the European migrants understood one to be, and the fact they didn't integrate with Indian tribes or attempt to.

The fact they literally founded a country, established the institutions intrinsic to, and expounded extensively on said founded country and the characteristics necessary to make said new country successful.