[timjahn]

"Yes, it still an echo chamber which I believe actually hurts the startup community because it incentives them to work on products which have zero value outside the echo chamber."

This. I hate this. I love the idea behind Product Hunt and I was on there early on. I've discovered some great products from there but I find it increasingly becoming centered around Product Hunt itself and startups in general.

I suppose that's only natural as the community posts for the community, but I feel like there's so much more potential with a site like this.

I'm not in the valley. I'm in Chicago. And Product Hunt increasingly feels like some huddle of startup guys in the valley smiling at each other over the latest do-hickey they made.

[theseatoms]

Maybe an example of Goodhart's Law in effect?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodhart%27s_law

(Cheers, from a fellow Chicagoan.)