anonymousdev's comments

Well this is the state of the industry. There certainly are companies with well-written, well-documented, well-tested code but they don't hire because they don't need to. Their code is easy to change and maintain, so why pay more people? This is all most project managers know - absolutely never improve the process or the tools, just throw more people at the problem, so that's why you were there.

I'm not saying TDD is the only way to write code, I'm saying TDD is the only way to make sure that you will have minimal automated testing.

About your condescending remarks about delivering business value, I'd like to see you delivering business value while working with 10 other people on a tightly coupled 100k+ LOC application with no tests. Do that, then I might take you seriously when you say that the craft and process don't matter.

EDIT: Here's how business is done in some parts of the world. I give you the crash tests for the world's cheapest car: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RUdKf0FQgEg .Businessmen will gladly endanger human lives in the name of cutting costs, do you actually think they will allow any kind of software testing?

You would hate your life if you were surrounded by TDD fanatics?

Would you love your life if you had to change huge applications with 100k+ LOC without any kind of testing and if anything breaks at the client, it's your fault?

TDD didn't appear out of the void because some wankers want to deride everyone else, it's the ONLY WAY to have tests in the business world because if the features are developed first, the business guys will say "let's skip the tests to cut the costs".

All the guys crying about the prevalence of TDD are the ones who are lucky enough to live in a tech hub from a developed country. In my area I'm the only one who knows about TDD/BDD.

You want to know how testing is done here?

- 80% of projects have no testing whatsoever

- 20% are manually tested by students paid with 3$/hour

Unlike others, I would love to be surrounded by "TDD zealots or fanatics".

Oh, yes, it's great to be a workhorse developer. You don't get any opportunities to use new technologies and improve your skills at work so you have a choice: program at home after work and in weekends or become useless in a few years and get out of the field or move into management if you're lucky.

It's really fun to make the first choice, because you either give up socializing and live a hollow life focused exclusively on programming, or you don't have time for physical exercises, cooking and eating real food(not junk) and other human routines that keep you healthy and you die at 40.

But never worry, because right before you'll leave this world you'll be able to say with immeasurable pride: "I've made someone else rich!".

Don't be stupid and care about interesting work and improving yourselves and especially don't boast about it because you make the workhorses feel bad(and FSM-forbid, even open their eyes). Shut up and keep your heads down because it will all be over soon.