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South of Atlanta we had a tornado warning around 5am. Several downed trees and power outages but I haven't heard of any actual tornadoes that touched down in my area yet.

It seems unlikely that it'll ever get fully upstreamed, but according to a post on the discord that I'm pasting in full below, there certainly can be parts that may get upstreamed. I do a lot of NES related development in my free time, and llvm-mos has been awesome for rapid development. I'd love to see of this get upstreamed in the hopes that it could reduce the maintenance burden on the small team, but I'm not trying to speak for them or anything haha.

> So, I wanted to do a little blurb on the topic of upstreaming LLVM. My previous answer to this questions was "yeah, we'd like to, but we have more work to do." This implied that we were working on it. More accurate to reality is that we were keeping it in the back of our heads and doing work to decrease the diff from upstream. The latter is also useful for making merges from upstream easier, and that's closer to the real reason I was doing it.

> Well, I've lost some rather high-profile fights upstream. In particular, upstream now strips out attribute((leaf)) from LTO builds, which is the whole thing that makes our static stack solution work. I personally think this decision was totally bogus, and wasn't alone in this, but the conservative voice won out. My experiences with the LLVM community so far has been one of deep conservativism; the stranger you are, the more you need to justify your strangeness with real-world impact. We're a very strange hobby project, which just doesn't bode well. We could make our backend a lot less strange by making it a lot less good, but then it becomes impossible to compete with incumbents like KickC and cc65.

> Accordingly, I'm not keeping the goal of maintaining llvm-mos entirely upstream in the back of my head anymore. I don't oppose work along those lines, unless it interferes with making llvm-mos the best 6502 compiler we can.

> That being said, LLVM may independently change to be more amenable to us, so this may become easier in the future. This has already happened prior to us, with GlobalISel and AVR making development of the backend far simpler. If that happens, I'll definitely reexamine my opinion on this.

> Alternatively, I'd definitely be open to upstreaming the unobjectionable parts of llvm-mos backend; we could then maintain the actual distribution as an increasingly thin fork from upstream. In fact, we could probably get started on that project today; I haven't yet spent much time considering the idea, but I'm starting to like it more and more, since it gives increased visibility, easier merges, and an excellent reference backend for upstream documentation. (We're really nice once you strip away all the crazy!)

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The fact that its performant is tangential to the fact that its running on ARM android. IIRC Drastic still does a traditional JIT to recompile the guest ARM code into ARMv7a for phones (I might be misremembering, but I recall they had a whole lotta headache trying to update to support 64 bit ARM in time for the Android deadline for that. Also I remember them talking about tons of headaches dealing with the new storage APIs for Android)

Its really fast because of the tons of optimization that went into the application. It does many cool things to cut out overhead on the CPU side, but also it does a lot on the graphics emulation side, including hand rolled ARM NEON code for SIMD processing polygons. I'm not very familiar with DS emulation, but one of the devs for Drastic contributed to another project I worked on, so I had some chats here and there about these sort of things.

> Emulation involves a lot of large byte arrays and static structs that your code updates a lot to represent the hardware

Things work a bit differently for "modern" emulators, where the emulators recreate the kernel/OS at a high level. In these emulators, the games will call into the system, and the kernel will be expected to do all thats necessary for the call. In the high level approach, this means that if a call allocates, so does the emulator (edit: note that this is a simplified view, as both emulators map a 4GB page that they work in for the guest system memory, but theres still a ton of side allocations that happen "outside" of the guest kernel). There is a lot of work that goes on in this layer of emulation, and theres going to be objects that the emulator allocates and later destroys. Process tables, thread lists, scheduler information, timing events, kernel synchronization primitives like mutexs, and so on to name some. I'm not intimately familiar with Ryujinx to make any statements about how they handle GC of course, but its something that they'll need to take into consideration. That said, there's plenty of other things like JIT compilation, shader compilation, caches filling up, and on and on that all also cause micro stuttering, so its not uncommon for even C or C++ emulators to have annoying pauses too.

fail0verflow did this exact thing when they first got linux working on the switch actually! https://twitter.com/fail0verflow/status/988543541403160576 It'd be a pain and a half to get a "proper" fast port with CPU emulation (either some lightweight JITing or natively running the code with hooks on SVC and such) and a GPU backend for the switch graphics. Not nearly simple enough to attract someone to do it on a whim with no other reason that to say it happened haha

The other sibling comments were talking about general C++ vs C# performance, but I wanna get into some emulation specific context here that's missing. I was one of the contributors to the yuzu project since it was first started, and so I'm fairly familiar with the challenges of switch emulation, albeit I'm not going to pretend like I was one of the all-star devs responsible for making the magic happen. (I've recently stopped contributing to the project in order to pursue other interests, so i'm going to keep the information here general and not specific in case somethings changed in the last month.)

Let's start off by breaking the core performance portions of emulation into a few broad categories. There's CPU emulation, for running the actual guest exe, Kernel and OS emulation for handling the system calls that games make, and GPU emulation for translating the guest's GPU work into modern graphics API that your PC can use. Now let's compare how language overhead will affect each of these main scopes.

CPU Emulation - Both yuzu and Ryujinx use JIT compilation to recompile the guest ARMv8 instructions into x64 at runtime. The specifics of the two emulators JITs are pretty different, and it'd be cool to go into more details, but the mile high view is a comparison of C# vs C++ isn't going to have much of an effect on the runtime difference. At least not near as much performance gap between techniques and optimization levels that the JIT is capable of. The goal of JIT compilation for CPU code is to remove as much interpreter overhead as possible, so if your choice of programming language is slowing down the JIT, that suggests that you have somewhere else to improve in the JIT ;)

Kernel/OS - This is the area that will have the largest performance difference between implementation languages, but with the major caveat that Kernel and OS emulation requires the least amount of processing power out of the 3 categories mentioned here. The Kernel and OS are responsible for managing and scheduling threads, handling network connections, and etc, but really most of these things have fairly low impact on final application performance in comparison to CPU and GPU emulation. As a side note, emulators aren't the only groups interested in switch OS/Kernel work. The open source Atmosphere custom firmware for the switch is working through recreating an open source kernel/os for the switch, and the two emulators benefit from their work too. (See the licensing exemptions here https://github.com/Atmosphere-NX/Atmosphere#licensing)

GPU Emulation - This is probably the trickiest part of Switch emulation, and once again, it comes down to how you emulate it, and not the language you use to write the emulator. The biggest performance differences between the GPU emulation of the two emulators will boil down to technique differences, and not the programming language. GPU emulation performance can be roughly broken into two parts, the "actual" gpu running time, and the state management/conversion. There's only so much an emulator can do about the actual GPU running time since at some level, you are going to need to run the game's GPU code, but the other half is a whole lotta code to avoid doing more work, and much of the GPU performance optimizations goes here. Things like managing the game's GPU memory, avoiding changing or querying GPU state unless necessary, converting nvidia shader ASM into SPIR-V or GLSL, and so on, are not generally going to be bottlenecked on the emulator's language of choice, but on the algorithms and designs that you use. Also a side note, the average comment about how "easy" switch emulation is because of "off the shelf nvidia parts" really misunderstands just how much work goes into this part. Switch emulation benefits greatly from the open source nvidia reverse engineering efforts from teams like nouveau, and others working on open source GPU acceleration on the switch like https://github.com/devkitPro/deko3d but also a great deal of effort from the switch emu devs themselves, writing tests cases to run on the switch to find edge cases and document behavior. It definitely is not easy work.

At the end of the day, every drop of performance counts, but some drops are much much larger than others. As such, the advantages of any language's performance characteristics will be heavily offset by the design choices the emulator uses. The creator of ryujinx is very comfortable with C#, and with good development practices, there's no intrinsic reason that one cannot achieve good performance in a C# emulator. And if one decides that it's worth the tradeoff to do some extra work for performance in exchange for a more comfortable development environment, then I say let them do what they want.

Shoutouts to both the yuzu and Ryujinx teams for all their hard work. I loved working on emulators a lot, and highly recommend anyone who's interested in contributing to give it a shot, its a really challenging and rewarding kind of project where there's always something new to learn about in a broad array of subjects.

redream is a Dreamcast emulator written in C only. libretro (the core API behind Retroarch) and Retroarch itself are primarily C. mupen64plus is in C, although the common 3rd party plugins and frontends are not always in C.

From what I can tell, Leadwerks has a "Game Launcher" application on Steam, and you can upload your game as a workshop mod for the Game Launcher App.

http://www.leadwerks.com/werkspace/page/tutorials/_/publishi...

So, its not like its actually a title on steam, but its available to be played through steam if that makes sense.

I don't think that was the case for me at least. I felt like (using your own analogy) the more I studied Rust, the better I learned how to use every other hammer. Learning a new programming language helped me learn c++ better since I was constantly on the lookout for potential memory leaks and other common pitfalls that Rust prevents. Now when I code in c++, I always try to write the code with safety in mind.

As mentioned elsewhere, its a combination of factors at least for here in Provo. Provo does have a sizable number of tech startups like LucidChart and according to this report it was number 11 on the tech startup list http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/moving-up-provo-orem-a...

Also, as part of the deal for coming to Provo, Provo city sold the existing fiber network to google for a single dollar and google's job was to upgrade the system to gigabit. The whole infrastructure was in place for the most part, so it was a good deal that they couldn't pass up. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Google-Fiber-Provo-iProvo-P...

Probably not, since this isn't a case where my co worker can just copy paste my code and hope it works for two reasons. The first is I am not entirely sure their testing environment is using 64 bit linux, it could be 32 bit linux since I'm not in the class, I just assumed its 64bit so I could test it on my machine. The next reason is they don't actually have a Hello World assignment at all! The reason I wrote this article is so I could share something I learned, and my co worker (who has already completed the first half of the semester's assignments) could use this as a starting point for how to write his own version for an assignment.

I went to download it from the eShop about an hour ago and it said that its currently only available from your local game store. I'm pretty sure that means Nintendo pulled it because of this vulnerability, but hey, I would probably pull it as well if I was Nintendo. I'm curious to see if its available for purchase for other people besides me.

Just a quick note, Rustful has been around for longer than both of those projects. Rustful just hasn't had the same amount of press that the others have had.

No one seems to have mentioned this yet, but as of the end of June, Andrew lost the world record to Blubbler http://smb-leaderboards.wikia.com/wiki/SMB_Leaderboards_Wiki Also, sometime earlier this year, andrewg decided to retire from speedrunning and get his life back on track, but it looks like since his world record was beat, he is back at making attempts to get the world record http://www.twitch.tv/andrewg1990

For those that can't find the repository, it can be found here on github https://github.com/hippyvm/hippyvm I can never seem to find the link to github from the hippyvm page. It doesn't seem to be very active as far as emerging technology goes, but in my opinion it has good potential since it can build off existing language development tools that are continuously improving.

> Discovery of Rust projects is super hard right now.

Good point! But I'm not sure of any other way to get projects noticed besides word of mouth and posting about them on sites like Hacker news and such. In fact that is where I first heard about rustful.

> didn't know about your framework

My framework is actually at https://github.com/jroweboy/oxidize/tree/incoming (master branch is sorely out of date) and I feel I still have a long way to go before I get that finished :)

For some reason, no one has mentioned that there is a very usable rust REST framework right now that you can try out https://github.com/Ogeon/rustful I'm not the author of this, so I can't tell you what features are missing, but the features that are there work very well from what I can tell. When it comes to web frameworks in Rust, there aren't many options yet (as stated in are we web yet) but the few that are out there are in active development.

Generation 2 introduced the more exotic pokeballs through that whole apricot side event stuff. Generation 3 introduced several new balls including the Nest and Net balls that you were mentioning http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9_Ball#Introd...

I agree that it would be more difficult for those kinds of games, but I think with a little bit of cleverness it can still be managed. Since it doesn't really matter where you split, but rather that you consistently split at the same spot, I think it can work by splitting on "You've got item!" text or other things like that. For instance, the first split of the Ocarina of Time escape could be split as soon as it displays part of the map for the zora river. The bottle split could be hit when you hold the bottle over your head, it could match part of the blue text box displayed over your hand since this exact spot on the screen would look the same for all N64 versions of the game. One of the key features of the auto split program would have to be that the image matching program wouldn't be so strict as to require pixel perfect matches, but also would be strict enough that it wouldn't pick up any false positives.