loverofthings's comments

True.

NOx is also the biggest product of animal agriculture. It also has an effect on climate change. Global warming potential is around 300 times larger than CO2. [1]

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming_potential#Value...

I thought candy was delicious CO2 intensive food. Not a complete lifestyle.

Although, food is just one part of the equation. I've never said diet is the only change necessary to make. A person in the first world would do more by not using AC and heating than switching to a different diet, so one might optimize there. Although, not many want to optimize there, so it's easier to change the diet if they wish to lower their footprint.

It might also be hamstrings. For example, while sitting on the chair try lifting one of your legs so you make L shape with your torso (without flexing your lower back).

I can't do that, my leg can't stretch fully. This prevents me from squatting properly.

I've been slowly stretching the hamstrings but I'm still not there. I remember having the same issues when I was a teenager.

My lower back arches severely if I do it, which I regard as not a proper squat.

I can't do that squat. My hamstrings aren't flexible enough due to too much sitting in the first world.

Vegetables are expensive because subsidies are small. There's no free market in agriculture.

I'm not exactly sure how candies are causing climate change.

So do vegans have a workflow that makes their diet convenient. The thing is, one has to start somewhere, and no one starts anywhere because they see the change as inconvenient.

I'm not sure that many people do that.

A good comparison would be FOSS. Richard Stallman inconveniences himself to the point of absurdity, but I'm pretty sure barely anyone does anything close to it.

I changed my diet, I live in good housing, but when I put the numbers on paper, I'm not doing much at all, and could do much more.

In similar ways, majority of people that believe in climate change do nothing (or barely anything) to fight it. No one is reducing their heating/cooling, no one is changing their diet, no one is measuring their heating patterns and trying to optimize it (by no one I mean barely anyone).

People still want their 24/7 AC, their steaks, their huge cars, their big heat inefficient houses, their plane flights etc.

No one does a thing.

Believing in climate change, or not believing, when reflected in the actions of people, is in my eyes completely equivalent.

Well, monad transformers make things easy but the abstraction impacts runtime performance :(

Maybe plastic waste in the long run imposes a bigger cost?

Just like overconsumption of cigarettes, alcohol etc. imposes a much bigger cost in the long run (in welfare countries).

Yep. No more California beef too. Water there is too expensive and there's no free-market in agriculture there.

Poaching for what? It's palm oil, the delicious Lays.

Nothing better than palm oil and legume-fed beef, pork, chicken and fish.

No one is going to build nuclear reactors in the West for cryptocurrency mining. Just like no one is building nuclear reactors for powering christmas lights or Amazon servers, or Internet servers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_power_phase-out

Reactors are being built primarily for heating and cooling, and eventually vehicle charging.

In the grand scheme of things (context being the carbon footprint of humanity) it is insignificant, just like Denmark's carbon footprint is.

Let's optimize the real stuff, not some trivialities (like the Christmas lights in the USA pointed out as a reply).

There's 24/7 AC in USA and China in the masses. There's Brazilian and Argentinian agriculture removing rainforests to grow food for the USA or EU that grows cattle. (EU takes unbelievable amounts of rainforest grain/legumes to feed its livestock, an absolute travesty and hipocrisy)

The footprint of these developments is insanely large, yet somehow coin mining is an issue.

We could then jump to optimize the Internet infrastructure too, despite being 1-2% of CO2 equivalent footprint.

Yes, I understand coin mining seems a bit useless but I'm pretty sure heating and cooling is wasted in magnitudes more amounts, being applied in badly designed buildings, or cooling the streets of Las Vegas.

Compared to heating and cooling, and a bunch of other stuff it is negligible.

I guess you could complain about the usefulness of mining.

Well, people do a bunch of useless stuff that has magnitudes bigger carbon footprint than mining.

Let's not optimize things that are insignificant.

2nd Edition was published 10 years ago.

I'm pretty sure there's a handful of those that find meaningful work. Then a handful of those that find it in AI.