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mdipierro | 18 years ago | on: Ask YC: What is your take on web2py?

Can you make any specific point so that it can be addressed or are you just ranting as usual? Who is doing marketing here? Since when computer science is about faith?

mdipierro | 18 years ago | on: Ask YC: What is your take on web2py?

I just made many corrections. I could find only 2 published books. please send me a personal email if you have other corrections and they will be incorporated.

mdipierro | 18 years ago | on: Ask YC: What is your take on web2py?

"enterprise" does not mean it is developed by an enterprise. It means it was developed for the enterprise. For one thing it means it is stable and always backward compatible. It also means it packages everything you need including support for xmlrpc web services, file streaming, if_modified_since, partial content, distributed transactions, ticketing system, etc.

mdipierro | 18 years ago | on: Ask YC: What is your take on web2py?

The Flourish conference was sponsored by Google. The creators of Django, CackePHP and Rails were on the mailing list and some even replied to it. I agree that if nobody else participated it is not a victory. I would not say web2py won, I would say web2py was not afraid to participate and delivered a working project in 24 hours that met the specs. The organizers said web2py won. Ask the organizers. Ian Biking was on the jury.

mdipierro | 18 years ago | on: Ask YC: What is your take on web2py?

Are you still upset with web2py because I did not include your package. Com'on. Grow up. web2py is a project grown in a university, it is all but marketing. Unless free good documentation is called marketing. Here is the latest draft manual: http://mdp.cti.depaul.edu/examples/static/web2py_manual.pdf Here is a preliminary comparison with other frameworks: http://mdp.cti.depaul.edu/examples/static/web2py_vs_others.p... (please correct me if I am wrong)

mdipierro | 18 years ago | on: Ask YC: Your opinion on webpy for web programming

This funny because when web2py started we aimed at being small like web.py. In fact the core web2py functionalities (from gluon import *) are very similar to web.py and the entire core is less the 120KB. Ocan still use it that low level and import SQLAlchemy and Mako for example (with loss of some of the higher level functionalities of course, like the database administrative interface).

Anyway, I agree with Cosmin's assessment that it grew to do a lot more. The main phylosophy is that the framework should make (by default) some decisions for the user, in particular particular about things that have to do with security and persistance.

At high level web2py borrowed some ideas from Django (the administrative interface and {{...}} in templates), some from Turbogears (response.flash?) and some from cherrypy (@cache).

mdipierro | 18 years ago | on: Web2py - yet another Python web-framework

True: compiling is obfuscation, not encryption but, the same argument applies to Java, VB, etc. Even compiled C++ can be disassembled. Anyway, web2py inlines some stuff before bytecode compiling so if you decompile a compiled web2py app you do not get a valid web2py app (because there is no one to one match between modules) unless you tweak it. In most of the cases it is not worth the task.

mdipierro | 18 years ago | on: Web2py - yet another Python web-framework

web2py used to be called Gluon so it is new but not too new. The main reason for bytecode compiling in web2py is that, for each page, the template+layout+included views are converted into a single bytecode compiled file. That means that when serving the page there is no parsing of the template, no pattern matching, no text replacement and therefore it is much faster than the alternative.
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