pii's comments

pii | 5 years ago

Yes, censorship. The kind like every conservative space I've ever known, online or offline, engages in.

Also no not exclusively censorship, there are many parts to that definition.

pii | 5 years ago

Yeah I can't say I agree with your friends if that's indeed what they meant. The first amendment is incredibly important. So is the jurisprudence around what it means.

I have a suspicion that there might be a communication barrier somewhere between you and your friends. I'm a bit out on a limb here, so forgive my presumptions if they're off base. I mean no offense.

It's possible that your friends have learned that, when talking to you, 'free speech' is only worth defending when it's offensive, neo-nazi style speech. Then, without making explicit the change in vocabulary usage, they run with it -- ending up in a bad spot where they're saying get rid of 1st Amendment. There's no winners in this story, just unfortunate misunderstandings.

Again, disregard if this is nonsense. I've been witness to similar disagreements in the past, so I'm offering my 2c since I think you're making the good faith effort to represent, even while exasperated, the views of your friends.

pii | 5 years ago

I am thankful that you took the time to enumerate that you don't share neo-nazi ideology. I think that right now, it makes a bigger difference than it has in the past to state it out loud.

For reference: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politic...

The FBI disagrees with you quite a bit on whether neo-nazis & co are a problem.

This is why I insist so much. This is why so many on the left insist so much on this particular test. Pretending the problem isn't a problem is a thing that is actively causing harm to the country.

pii | 5 years ago

Well no not at the outset, but we know fb, to follow this example, pays a small army of moderators. I suspect that has some kind of measurable effect.

pii | 5 years ago

Definition of fascism

1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition

pii | 5 years ago

Hey, I'm willing to have that discussion, sure. I am accepting the challenge to accept the rules of engagement you dictated.

Are you willing to accept the challenge of accepting the rules of engagement I put forth - Acknowledge that neo-nazis are a problem, briefly state why?

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I think the GME stuff is a bit nuts, personally. I found the whole thing entertaining, but I find it hard to believe that most participants won't be hurt in some way in the long run. I'm not sure how much small time investors understand that. Optimistically, maybe this is a collective learning experience that does minimal harm to a large number of people, and we all come away from the experience with a better idea of how the stock market works. Maybe then we can make better informed electoral decisions? Feels a bit too optimistic, but hey.

Better than meme stocks vs hedge funds, imo, would be to have a working system for accountability and enforcement at the SEC- been lacking for decades, from what I understand.

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Societal damage caused by data breaches. Idk, it's a bit large as a topic. Do I like that a bunch of personal data just got dumped? Not the biggest fan, no. I wouldn't want it to happen to me, certainly.

I do think it's useful to have the data there to show how much the platform is for hate and organizing around hate. It seems like there should be a better way to expose this kind of thing.

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I'd be surprised if you also engage in a genuine discussion on your own terms.

I love surprises, but I've been on the internet long enough not to expect them.

pii | 5 years ago

"I won't acknowledge that neo-nazis are a problem"

Sorry, did I misunderstand you?

pii | 5 years ago

I think you might want to listen to them more closely, I can't answer on their behalf.

If, by chance, they're anything like me, then I agree that there's giant categories of prohibited speech that should remain so. Lying about medicine, slander, libel, incitement to violence to name a few.

pii | 5 years ago

Genuinely, I want to find common ground with people who don't say anyone who isn't a neo-nazi is ALL THE WAY LEFT AND A DANGEROUS PERSON

pii | 5 years ago

"I don't care whether the government allows someone to lie to me about the contents of my medicine"

pii | 5 years ago

"friends on the left opposed to free speech" is your willful misunderstanding of the issue

pii | 5 years ago | on: In Defense of Myers Briggs (2020)

I've never seen anyone not use MTBI as a horoscope. I'm inclined to believe there's high likelihood that the measurements will be misused, even if it were measuring useful.
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