starbuzz | 7 years ago | on: Show HN: Chromely – Lightweight Alternative to Electron for .NET and .NET Core
Duplicate of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17132823
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starbuzz | 7 years ago | on: Show HN: HyperApp – 1k JavaScript framework for building web applications
^ This
starbuzz | 7 years ago | on: Show HN: HyperApp – 1k JavaScript framework for building web applications
The irony is you are the extremist for thinking HN is full of extremists! :)
Also, library size !== mediocrity at all. No one builds an unreasonably large framework on purpose either.
starbuzz | 7 years ago | on: Show HN: HyperApp – 1k JavaScript framework for building web applications
> So far, the Infinite monkey theorem is just giving us an infinite number of javascript frameworks, and no Shakespeare
Not even funny IMO. This is the kind of toxic comment that don't motivate progress in this community.
starbuzz | 7 years ago | on: Show HN: HyperApp – 1k JavaScript framework for building web applications
Hyperapp is not optimized to be the fastest framework at the expense of worse developer experience. Having said that, we're definitely working on improving our runtime performance (see https://github.com/hyperapp/hyperapp/issues/499). So much to do!
I want to point out that while these benchmarks are very useful to detect underlying, potentially serious runtime and memory performance issues in your algorithm/framework, the implicit idea that even the slowest framework according to this list (e.g. choo) is a poor choice or inadequate for frontend development is ridiculous (the js-framework-bench creates > 80,000 nodes).
Please don't do that to your users, regardless of the framework you are using. Even the most complex user interface will have < 10,000 nodes. Tables/grids may get you there faster, however.
Still, in the case of Hyperapp we're talking about 100 to 200 milliseconds slower in the worst test (i.e., partial update) for a worst-case scenario.
starbuzz | 7 years ago | on: Show HN: HyperApp – 1k JavaScript framework for building web applications
I meant the benchmark is using an older version of Hyperapp.
https://github.com/krausest/js-framework-benchmark/tree/mast...
The js-framework-benchmarks is very much maintained and actively developed. It's our go-to benchmark when fine-tuning for a new release.
In addition to that, the latest code on master (still unpublished) includes some notable improvements:
starbuzz | 7 years ago | on: Show HN: HyperApp – 1k JavaScript framework for building web applications
If all goes according to plan, it will look even more like Elm in the next major release (2.0).
starbuzz | 7 years ago | on: Show HN: HyperApp – 1k JavaScript framework for building web applications
Elm is for anyone. I love Elm.
"for the rest of us" is a common English language idiom/phrase.
https://english.stackexchange.com/questions/41687/meaning-of...
I know the idiom mostly from For Dummies' books. I'm implying that Elm, while great, is not as user-friendly, intuitive or easy to use as Hyperapp.
I'm saying that Hyperapp is deeply inspired by Elm, but also designed with extreme devotion to details, minimalism, and simplicity.
starbuzz | 7 years ago | on: Show HN: HyperApp – 1k JavaScript framework for building web applications
Hyperapp and Web Components is a great combo, especially because they can help with the problem of maintaining local component state, not a feature of Hyperapp.
starbuzz | 7 years ago | on: Show HN: HyperApp – 1k JavaScript framework for building web applications
Yes. Not IE8, though.
starbuzz | 7 years ago | on: Show HN: HyperApp – 1k JavaScript framework for building web applications
Hyperapp will be a lot more Elm-like in a future release, see this too: https://github.com/hyperapp/hyperapp/issues/672
starbuzz | 7 years ago | on: Show HN: HyperApp – 1k JavaScript framework for building web applications
HyperTerminal
starbuzz | 7 years ago | on: Show HN: HyperApp – 1k JavaScript framework for building web applications
I replied to another similar comment but the TL;DR is that both are solving different things. Preact is a React 15 clone.
Hyperapp is basically Elm in JavaScript.
starbuzz | 7 years ago | on: Show HN: HyperApp – 1k JavaScript framework for building web applications
This is a crucial aspect of Hyperapp that often goes unnoticed because simply no one in their sane judgment expects it.
starbuzz | 7 years ago | on: Show HN: HyperApp – 1k JavaScript framework for building web applications
Surely there are many more ways.
starbuzz | 7 years ago | on: Show HN: HyperApp – 1k JavaScript framework for building web applications
Oh, Mithril! All folk desired it. This one is great too.
starbuzz | 7 years ago | on: Show HN: HyperApp – 1k JavaScript framework for building web applications
This is an old benchmark, we're in the same ballpark as React now. Hyperapp is also not just a virtual DOM, but also a state management "all-in-one" kind of thing.
starbuzz | 7 years ago | on: Show HN: HyperApp – 1k JavaScript framework for building web applications
Hyperapp has a great API, it's easy to use and it's 1 kB.
starbuzz | 7 years ago | on: Show HN: HyperApp – 1k JavaScript framework for building web applications
Some of those results refer to HyperTerminal, the Electron-based terminal app. Other results refer to Hyperapp-like libraries (not Hyperapp). The most recent submission related to Hyperapp was 8 months ago and Hyperapp has come a long way since then.
Here is another angle to this: go into React type of submissions and ask them to stop spamming HN with that?
https://hn.algolia.com/?query=react&sort=byPopularity&prefix...
starbuzz | 7 years ago | on: Show HN: HyperApp – 1k JavaScript framework for building web applications
Hyperapp is based on virtual DOM and yes, I guess you could say it's inspired by Hyperscript in the same way as all virtual DOM based libraries or frameworks.
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