thowaway_2mar's comments

I don't doubt you, at all. Most of this catholic priest are from the upper caste community.

1) https://scroll.in/article/876000/is-the-caste-system-deep-ro...

2) https://www.jstor.org/stable/44144111

3) https://www.bbc.com/news/world-south-asia-11229170

4) https://www.hindustantimes.com/india/dalit-catholics-continu...

The leadership of Churches in India remains in the hands of upper-caste Christians, and they are as bad as their Hindu counterparts.

Don't argue with upper caste muslims.

I am a big admirer of Ali Anwar, founder of Pasmanda Muslim Mahaz. The hindu-muslim binary of the Indian poltics is the biggest issue lower caste muslims are facing today. Every issue is about Hindu and Muslim or Upper and Lower caste Hindus but None talks about the plight of the Dalit and Pasmanda lower caste Muslims.

I know I will get downvoted by upper caste ashrafs and sayeed muslims but this it the trusth. Cast matters, even if you are a muslim in India.

Lower caste pasmanda Muslims are not even allowed to bury their dead bodies with those of upper caste pure blood Muslims, who claim to be descendants of the prophet Mohammed.

Ali Anwar despite being a Muslim was in the JD(U)-BJP alliance in Bihar. BJP is a Hindu-nationalist party that also bought some progressive changes in the Muslim community. I don't like BJP but sometimes even the devil does the right thing, banning triple-talaq was one of such positive things done to uplift oppressed Muslim women.

^ Anecdotally I believe it occurs in a much lower amount, I haven't seen it at all as an Indian Muslim.

Just read the oppression Indian lower caste untouchable Muslims face in India.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasmanda_Muslim_Mahaz

Upper caste dominant ashraf/sayeed Muslims in India have tried to label the people of the Mahaz as "un-Islamic heretics", which is a form of propaganda against them. Same is the case in Pakistan.

We all are Muslims and we don't have castes. Unless it's about an upper-caste Muslim woman marrying a lower caste untouchable muslim.

Not true, you maybe an "upper-caste muslim".

1 ) https://theprint.in/opinion/indias-muslim-community-under-a-...

2) https://www.opindia.com/2020/10/muslim-social-hierarchy-cast...

3) https://theprint.in/opinion/pasmanda-muslims-missing-from-po...

4) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lENVbLrJOQw

5) https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/we-need-a-caste-censu...

6) https://www.deccanherald.com/opinion/dilip-kumar-the-gardene...

7) https://thewire.in/caste/lower-caste-muslims-in-up-forge-new...

Emancipation of the Dalit Muslims hasn't yet occurred, Hindu-Muslim binary contributes to this oppression of Pasmanda and Dalit/ lower caste Muslims.

The oppressor can never understand the pain of the oppressed. How many lower caste Muslims ruled India? Why 90% of the Muslims politicians are upper caste ashrafs/syeeds? Ashraf hegemony must end.

^ typical Chinese

Is it not racist?

True, but in diffrent indian states people from diffrent caste can have the same surname.

How can I hide me caste without changing my last name?

^ India is like 3 different countries when sliced by caste. The highest castes are about as privileged as the typical Chinese. The middle are at sub saharan Africa levels. The bottom 25% constitute probably the most deprived population in the world. Better off than the Rohingyas but not by too much.

Not true, at all. It depends on your state of birth and the caste. A Dalit from a poor state like Bihar is underprivileged than a Dalit of Kerala or Tamil Nadu.

Why can't the SV tech firms not provide affirmative action for the underprivileged lower-caste Dalits in hiring?

^ How many people from that group would be in Silicon Valley

Less that 10%

Over 90% of Indian techies in the US are upper-caste Indians - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24552047 - Sept 2020 (613 comments)

^ Seems like there is a potential for solidarity amongst more vocal groups pushing for representation.

Good luck, but I don't believe that's happening anytime soon considering that SV is upper-caste dominated also no politician really gives a damn unless your group has the population significant enough to win the elections.

Also, do you know prop-16 was rejected by Cali, the most progressive state in the US. see https://newsroom.ucla.edu/stories/prop-16-failed-in-californ...

^ draws so much attention

Outrage, I would say.

From wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romani_people#Origin)

Genetic findings suggest an Indian origin for Roma. Because Romani groups did not keep chronicles of their history or have oral accounts of it, most hypotheses about the Romani migration's early history are based on linguistic theory. There is also no known record of a migration from India to Europe from medieval times that can be connected indisputably to Roma.

^ This is BS. You don't write your name at all, just your student id number.

  Also, this is the reason students in their board exams (+2 / Twelfth-grade 
  tests) were forbidden from writing their last name in the answer sheets. 
  Teachers in India openly discriminated against students from other 
  castes/jatis/varnas by giving them lower marks.

Didn't you notice the past tense? Also, this defensiveness without properly reading what I wrote is part of the problem. This maybe BS today, but it wasn't 25-30 years ago.

Also, this is the reason students in their board exams (+2 / Twelfth-grade tests) were forbidden from writing their last name in the answer sheets. Teachers in India openly discriminated against students from other castes/jatis/varnas by giving them lower marks.

Not just caste but discrimination based on the state-of-origin/language are often committed by identifying your group based on your last name.

There are often groups in offices from some states that will ensure that folks that are not from their states don't succeed and are coerced into resigning.

Folks from relatively developed states in India don't want to admit students from underdeveloped or poor states, which breeds another form of caste-language-based discrimination in India.

Does caste-based discrimination exist? Yes, it does. But it depends on where you live. In rural India, it is more prevalent than in California.

Is the Indian government doing anything about this menace? Yes, India has a positive discrimination system for these oppressed castes in all government universities and all governmental jobs. Today 65-75% of all seats in top Indian universities are for oppressed, underprivileged, and poor people.

Is it better than now compared to when we got independence? Yes, but many want their kids not to marry into other castes, mainly lower caste.