A man was walking along a river bank when he saw another man on the opposite side. "Hello!" he called out, "how do you get to the other side of the river?"
The man called out in response, "you are on the other side of the river!"
Appreciate the sentiment, but I think it's a false equivalence.
I was in Amsterdam for a week in June and I'm in SF today. I love both cities, but the difference is palpable. The US is experiencing a wave of xenophobia and outright hate right now.
I totally understand not wanting to be part of it.
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Amsterdam is beautiful. It has more bikes than cars, transit that makes the Bay look embarrassing, and in my subjective experience, super nice people.
It's also a real city with a lot of interesting projects happening.
There is a lot of demand here for skilled developers, most positions are not for startups, but established business.
Software developer salary is typically lower than in the US, but then again, cost of living (as far as apartment rent goes(in Oslo)) is lower than in SV. C#/Java back-end salary usually range from 600,000 NOK (73 188 dollar, at the low end, not much experience, poor resume) to 1,000,000 NOK (121 980 dollar, senior).
The average developer salary in Oslo is at 106k (dollar). National average is 82k, most attractive jobs, and salaries, tend to be in Oslo.
I visited Oslo last week, and I have to say that its one of the best cities I have ever been to, people are very welcoming, streets are clean, everything is almost perfect.
You could try freelance work for clients remotely. That would give you a lot of freedom to choose where to live.
I am an American living, working (as a freelance programmer) in Czech Republic -- good economy (especially Prague), low crime rate, low cost of living. Happy to answer questions.
I lived in Prague for a short while as a digital nomad. It's a great city and I'm considering coming back more long-term and buying property there. Not only is the economy great, but it's a very walkable city with fantastic public transportation and is generally very clean. All of this was helpful in making each day I woke up a happy day, something that's hard to capture and definitely not the norm for most cities in the world.
So if you do get your remote work job, this is another +1 for Prague being amazing.
Nice to see praise of my city. As a research software engineer I am in the top 1 % percent here so it is definitely a good career choice here.
However, the cost of living is skyrocketing now in Prague compared to the rest of the country and our wages. For the cost of my small flat (60 m^2) I could buy two nice big houses in a smaller city just 60 km from here.
For me, it's not worth moving. I was born here, and as a result I'm somewhat responsible for the actions my country takes as a whole. Moving doesn't change that. The grass looks greener on the other side, but other countries aren't really doing that well with human rights, LGBT issues, affordable housing, or constitutionally-protected free speech. No matter where you move, you're trading one bag of shit for another.
I'm mostly just curious. There is a lot written about immigration to the US but not too much about emigration from it. I agree that moving away doesn't really solve the problem and that despite our flaws I believe we have an advantage in many respects.
Democracy isn't perfect, and sometimes it means you lose. It means you need to talk to people who disagree with you and persuade them, and I think this cycle shows that the left hasn't been doing too well on that front.
It is true that unless you are only in USA for 30 days of the year, you will still have to pay income tax in USA. I've been in Asia this year, working as remote freelancer and because I had to come back for about 6 weeks to deal with some business stuff, I won't be able to claim the foreign income tax excludion. I'll also have to pay the ACA penalty (still cheaper) because I cancelled my health insurance after leaving USA. But living in Asia has been a great experience and I would recommend it. However, time zones between here and west coast are weird. I'm either waking up at 5am or staying up til 12am if I have to do a call.
We at SUSE Linux will be happy to relocate all the suitable specialists (development, QA, support, management... 66 positions are open) to Germany or Czech: https://jobs.suse.com
You can filter by location, we have a couple of positions in Provo, Utah as well...
As a self taught, inexperienced programmer, I hope you don't mind answering a question. Looking through the list of jobs it seems that I could perform the Junior QA. However, since I am probably suffering from imposter syndrome, I'm somewhat unsure. A bit about my background: My interest is in full stack development. I'm comfortable with python, html5 and am currently re-learning CSS, which I have found harder to understand than programming, but I am getting there. My workflow is mostly through the CLI (basic commands) and have some experience with git. I've toyed around with a few languages, racket and js come to mind. I could conclude by asking, if I'm currently not fit for that position, what else would I need to learn?
I've found a job abroad (im from portugal) twice, once in UK and recently netherlands, both through LinkedIn Jobs (coincidently or not). Had other contacts through HN Who's Hiring posts as well.
If you're interested in moving to Switzerland then the lad who wrote the post below is semi-frequently on HN iirc. I had a brief email back-and-forth with him which was pretty useful and informative (though I ended up staying put).
I think the problem is not about finding resources but about culture of the country and their work culture
I'm French, long time ago as long as I was looking from France to work in the UK, about 9 out of 10 recruiters ignored me.
Once I landed in London and did the same search of jobs, interviews piled on me.
I'm not saying you can not find anything from remote and online, just saying it seems much much easier to find something once you are already in the country.
Similar thing happened to me with a much shorter move: central NJ to Philadelphia suburbs. Once I started using an address local to my job search I had no issues getting interviews. Before that was rough and the distance was only 100 miles.
Is the cultural difference between the United States' more cutthroat form of employment and the "salaryman" idea in Japan an issue in the transition? Does it apply to our industry?
Just signup, get a call with a talent advocate so they know what you're looking for, and as soon as the next monday you're in. You will receive from 5 to 15 tailored job offers in less than 2 weeks. That's the easiest way around.
I was able to find a job rather quickly on berlinstartupjobs.com if you'd like to consider Germany as an option.
Germany is a rather good option for working abroad as getting a visa is pretty easy if you have a college degree and make a certain amount of money. They're pretty liberal about handing out something called the EU Blue Card. That's what I had when I was over there. You don't even need to do anything before you get there. All the paperwork happens when you're in the country. The trickiest part of the whole process is making sure you end up at a place when you get there that you can register at with the local government as you have to show your registration confirmation as part of the Blue Card process. If you can get registered and receive mail wherever you stay initially everything is pretty easy.
For EU citizens you could just go on Jobserve.com and find an IT job in the UK or Switzerland (or maybe else where) that interests you and apply. Many jobs will only take people with the right to work, but there may be others who would sponsor a permit from outside the EU.
I am assuming however this is leaving the US for ... not-US locations
My suggestion would be to stay where you are, look for remote work opportunities that will give you the ability to losslessly change jobs until you found the work culture that suits.
And it also gives you opportunity to get involved in your local or state politics where you can make a genuine difference.
Just as Europe has a free-to-move labour force (for now!) the US has strong and increasingly independent States that look more and more like the engines of progressive change. California just approved marijuana for example.
Let the countries of the world deal with any changing trade and defence agreements. It's why they have diplomats.
NB - I am not meaning to be as patronising as I may be coming across
[+] [-] bendmorris|9 years ago|reply
The man called out in response, "you are on the other side of the river!"
[+] [-] kranner|9 years ago|reply
The man on the other side responds: "Don't ask me. I was born here."
[+] [-] dokument|9 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] dcposch|9 years ago|reply
I was in Amsterdam for a week in June and I'm in SF today. I love both cities, but the difference is palpable. The US is experiencing a wave of xenophobia and outright hate right now.
I totally understand not wanting to be part of it.
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Amsterdam is beautiful. It has more bikes than cars, transit that makes the Bay look embarrassing, and in my subjective experience, super nice people.
It's also a real city with a lot of interesting projects happening.
I'm very tempted
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[+] [-] erikbye|9 years ago|reply
281 java positions, 182 c#, 91 c++
New ones coming in every day.
There is a lot of demand here for skilled developers, most positions are not for startups, but established business.
Software developer salary is typically lower than in the US, but then again, cost of living (as far as apartment rent goes(in Oslo)) is lower than in SV. C#/Java back-end salary usually range from 600,000 NOK (73 188 dollar, at the low end, not much experience, poor resume) to 1,000,000 NOK (121 980 dollar, senior).
The average developer salary in Oslo is at 106k (dollar). National average is 82k, most attractive jobs, and salaries, tend to be in Oslo.
[+] [-] bpicolo|9 years ago|reply
That said, loved Norway when I visited
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[+] [-] chill1|9 years ago|reply
I am an American living, working (as a freelance programmer) in Czech Republic -- good economy (especially Prague), low crime rate, low cost of living. Happy to answer questions.
[+] [-] tristor|9 years ago|reply
So if you do get your remote work job, this is another +1 for Prague being amazing.
[+] [-] Scea91|9 years ago|reply
However, the cost of living is skyrocketing now in Prague compared to the rest of the country and our wages. For the cost of my small flat (60 m^2) I could buy two nice big houses in a smaller city just 60 km from here.
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For me, it's not worth moving. I was born here, and as a result I'm somewhat responsible for the actions my country takes as a whole. Moving doesn't change that. The grass looks greener on the other side, but other countries aren't really doing that well with human rights, LGBT issues, affordable housing, or constitutionally-protected free speech. No matter where you move, you're trading one bag of shit for another.
It's weird.
[+] [-] mcjiggerlog|9 years ago|reply
Bit of a weird statement. There are a lot of countries in the world and plenty of them do far better than the US on these issues.
[+] [-] jakebasile|9 years ago|reply
Democracy isn't perfect, and sometimes it means you lose. It means you need to talk to people who disagree with you and persuade them, and I think this cycle shows that the left hasn't been doing too well on that front.
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[+] [-] mrborgen|9 years ago|reply
Otherwise, apply for jobs in Norwegian startups through this site:
https://startupmatcher.com/
[+] [-] kirushik|9 years ago|reply
You can filter by location, we have a couple of positions in Provo, Utah as well...
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Ps: SanomaNL is hiring in the Netherlands (senior fronted/backend python but Golang is creeping up/devops): https://github.com/sanoma/jobs/blob/master/README.md
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[+] [-] zwetan|9 years ago|reply
I'm French, long time ago as long as I was looking from France to work in the UK, about 9 out of 10 recruiters ignored me.
Once I landed in London and did the same search of jobs, interviews piled on me.
I'm not saying you can not find anything from remote and online, just saying it seems much much easier to find something once you are already in the country.
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[+] [-] snowcrshd|9 years ago|reply
It must be imperative in daily life, but how about in the work environment?
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[+] [-] timClicks|9 years ago|reply
If you are interested in the startup scene, the best recruiters would probably be Talent Army
[+] [-] slimano|9 years ago|reply
Just signup, get a call with a talent advocate so they know what you're looking for, and as soon as the next monday you're in. You will receive from 5 to 15 tailored job offers in less than 2 weeks. That's the easiest way around.
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[+] [-] themckman|9 years ago|reply
Germany is a rather good option for working abroad as getting a visa is pretty easy if you have a college degree and make a certain amount of money. They're pretty liberal about handing out something called the EU Blue Card. That's what I had when I was over there. You don't even need to do anything before you get there. All the paperwork happens when you're in the country. The trickiest part of the whole process is making sure you end up at a place when you get there that you can register at with the local government as you have to show your registration confirmation as part of the Blue Card process. If you can get registered and receive mail wherever you stay initially everything is pretty easy.
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[+] [-] lifeisstillgood|9 years ago|reply
I am assuming however this is leaving the US for ... not-US locations
My suggestion would be to stay where you are, look for remote work opportunities that will give you the ability to losslessly change jobs until you found the work culture that suits.
And it also gives you opportunity to get involved in your local or state politics where you can make a genuine difference.
Just as Europe has a free-to-move labour force (for now!) the US has strong and increasingly independent States that look more and more like the engines of progressive change. California just approved marijuana for example.
Let the countries of the world deal with any changing trade and defence agreements. It's why they have diplomats.
NB - I am not meaning to be as patronising as I may be coming across