Don't require users to sign up. Let the users start the process and then decide whether or not to sign up. I don't like having to type in all that information just to try out a service.
Great idea, lousy execution. Besides the problems others have already mentioned, it's slooooooooowwwwwwww. Also, two very serious fundamental problems:
1. Many of your translations are wrong. I took the Spanish lesson. All of the Spanish verbs are infinitives, but the English translations are all gerunds.
2. Learning a language one word at a time doesn't really teach you the language. You need to learn more than just vocabulary, you need grammar, conjugations, declinations, etc.
But I hasten to add, the idea of a language tutor that keeps track of what you know and only drills you on the stuff you don't is a really good one and very promising if you can actually make it work. But it's not an easy problem. (For an aspiring entrepreneur this is a good thing. If it were easy someone else would have done it already.)
It lists 6 languages, plus "other languages", but won't let me even see what the others are without registering. ("Hi, Joe's Repair Shop." "Hi, can you replace the clutch on a '96 Volvo?" "Let me get your name and number before I answer that." "...")
The flowers that overwrite the words on the top-right of the page are kind of annoying.
The "help", "about", "staff", etc., links are all 404, which doesn't exactly look promising.
It claims "3000 words in 3 months", which is over 30 words a day. This seems pretty incredible. I've studied several languages, and I don't think I've ever learned 30 new words in a day (much less consistently for months!). According to <http://www.balancedreading.com/vocabulary.html>, "The average student learns about 3,000 words per year in the early school years -- that's 8 words per day". So I'm skeptical a webpage will help me learn something 4x faster than when it was basically my full-time job.
It says "Read more in our “About the system” page", but I see no such page or link. Do I have to register for that? (What's the point, then? If I have to register anyway, I'll just try it.) Do you have any people who have learned 3000 words in 3 months with your method?
It's not clear if this is written, or verbal. Will I be hearing native speakers? Or is the goal of this simply to read a newspaper?
Thanks for the criticism. Well, just try it out. 30 words is just two lessons a day - I think people underestimate the power of repetition in learning. 30 words is easy if you do two lessons a day. Yes, the text stuff is not completely done yet, it still references parts that are not online yet. That's why we have the 404s still.
The site looks very wordy. Even if you're in the business of teaching language, you're users still don't want to see that many words on one page. Try breaking up all your benefits into separate pages like a tour.
I really like the idea and the interface once you get logged in, although I don't really like the background color, except for the purple on the bottom of the front page
Front page is too busy. While base color scheme is nice and consistent, whoever decided on help/blog/login colors must be shot. Do the same to whoever spelled "this is the fastest .." all in lower case and highlighted with lime background.
Selecting German and clicking on Start brings me to the page featuring a photo of dude wearing what looks like an Afghani hat. Also bunch of text is in bold - this is really annoying, you should really ease off on neurolinguistics :)
The overall impression of first two pages is "amateurish", which means that I am leaving even before I had a chance to learn what the site is about. Work on your design, make sure it's as visually polished as it gets. Then poll people again, this time - regarding the functionality of the service.
I personally think it's the wrong approach to learning a language. Plain memorization is not how languages are learned. There is a lot of context and structure that must be learned that isn't apparent in the lessons (just listen to someone with a foreign native language speak English. They will construct sentences with English words but will do so incorrectly. They are putting them together how they would if they were using their own language's words).
I certainly think this is a problem ripe for hacking, but I think the application won't stick. What I've seen so far is a decent supplement to a traditional course for those who want to broaden their vocabulary repository, but not (IMO) a complete way to learn a language.
Another note: What about for people who already know a portion of a certain language? Maybe you could implement a test that checks where they are and provides lessons accordingly.
- after I signed up, it asked me to login. There's no need for this.
- I went through German lesson 1, but at the bottom it says "You are doing Lesson 0".
- progress went over 100% towards the end - a bit surprising
- restarting a lesson probably shouldn't reset the fact that it was completed
- I would like to see a list of the lessons I completed, maybe some stats to see how I did (maybe there is one and I missed it?) to track how I'm doing over time
- the links at the bottom of your homepage are broken
- being asked to pay for more than 3 lessons felt a bit like bait-and-switch, since the homepage promises 3000 words in big letters, but has no mention of cost (true, if it had, I might not have registered in the first place)
Al in all, a good idea, and good implementation. Clean, clear, and simple to use. I'm actually considering signing up.
Are the images coming from flickr? Because I am getting pictures of a baseball and the word is "playing". Since the images are crowdsourced then maybe there should be an array of them to convey the idea.
In my opinion there are too many words off the bat to remember if you are new to the language. How about doing a delay of one where you define a Spanish word and its image(s) and then the question after next is the image to assign the Spanish or English word to it, then a few questions later its the Spanish word to assign the English word to it? That way you get a 1-2 punch to help memorize it.
In terms of graphic design, you want to limit the number of fonts and font sizes in any given composition. You have a lot of different sizes and some odd bolding. "The average newspaper..." doesn't need to be bold. In fact, it hurts the readability.
On the Chinese section (using IE), the pictures won't display. Also, the characters don't display. Being able to read pin-yin is useless in a Chinese speaking country. Maybe pin-yin and characters should show.
with a great program like Rosetta Stone, why would someone use ingolingo?
Because it's free sure -- but many people have tried and failed many language learning systems, so what value does ingolingo provide that an established player like Rosetta Stone doesn't?
the entire "Learn together with other people" section reads very cheesy, imho. i don't think you should focus on whether or not this service gives people any kind of bragging rights.
[+] [-] cstejerean|18 years ago|reply
[+] [-] ess|18 years ago|reply
[+] [-] soundsop|18 years ago|reply
Furthermore, don't require an email address as part of the signup. Make it optional (see reddit).
[+] [-] mattmaroon|18 years ago|reply
[+] [-] lisper|18 years ago|reply
1. Many of your translations are wrong. I took the Spanish lesson. All of the Spanish verbs are infinitives, but the English translations are all gerunds.
2. Learning a language one word at a time doesn't really teach you the language. You need to learn more than just vocabulary, you need grammar, conjugations, declinations, etc.
But I hasten to add, the idea of a language tutor that keeps track of what you know and only drills you on the stuff you don't is a really good one and very promising if you can actually make it work. But it's not an easy problem. (For an aspiring entrepreneur this is a good thing. If it were easy someone else would have done it already.)
[+] [-] ess|18 years ago|reply
[+] [-] ken|18 years ago|reply
It lists 6 languages, plus "other languages", but won't let me even see what the others are without registering. ("Hi, Joe's Repair Shop." "Hi, can you replace the clutch on a '96 Volvo?" "Let me get your name and number before I answer that." "...")
The flowers that overwrite the words on the top-right of the page are kind of annoying.
The "help", "about", "staff", etc., links are all 404, which doesn't exactly look promising.
It claims "3000 words in 3 months", which is over 30 words a day. This seems pretty incredible. I've studied several languages, and I don't think I've ever learned 30 new words in a day (much less consistently for months!). According to <http://www.balancedreading.com/vocabulary.html>, "The average student learns about 3,000 words per year in the early school years -- that's 8 words per day". So I'm skeptical a webpage will help me learn something 4x faster than when it was basically my full-time job.
It says "Read more in our “About the system” page", but I see no such page or link. Do I have to register for that? (What's the point, then? If I have to register anyway, I'll just try it.) Do you have any people who have learned 3000 words in 3 months with your method?
It's not clear if this is written, or verbal. Will I be hearing native speakers? Or is the goal of this simply to read a newspaper?
[+] [-] ess|18 years ago|reply
[+] [-] incomethax|18 years ago|reply
I really like the idea and the interface once you get logged in, although I don't really like the background color, except for the purple on the bottom of the front page
[+] [-] ess|18 years ago|reply
[+] [-] huhtenberg|18 years ago|reply
Selecting German and clicking on Start brings me to the page featuring a photo of dude wearing what looks like an Afghani hat. Also bunch of text is in bold - this is really annoying, you should really ease off on neurolinguistics :)
The overall impression of first two pages is "amateurish", which means that I am leaving even before I had a chance to learn what the site is about. Work on your design, make sure it's as visually polished as it gets. Then poll people again, this time - regarding the functionality of the service.
[+] [-] ess|18 years ago|reply
[+] [-] dkokelley|18 years ago|reply
I certainly think this is a problem ripe for hacking, but I think the application won't stick. What I've seen so far is a decent supplement to a traditional course for those who want to broaden their vocabulary repository, but not (IMO) a complete way to learn a language.
Another note: What about for people who already know a portion of a certain language? Maybe you could implement a test that checks where they are and provides lessons accordingly.
[+] [-] alex_c|18 years ago|reply
- after I signed up, it asked me to login. There's no need for this.
- I went through German lesson 1, but at the bottom it says "You are doing Lesson 0".
- progress went over 100% towards the end - a bit surprising - restarting a lesson probably shouldn't reset the fact that it was completed
- I would like to see a list of the lessons I completed, maybe some stats to see how I did (maybe there is one and I missed it?) to track how I'm doing over time
- the links at the bottom of your homepage are broken
- being asked to pay for more than 3 lessons felt a bit like bait-and-switch, since the homepage promises 3000 words in big letters, but has no mention of cost (true, if it had, I might not have registered in the first place)
Al in all, a good idea, and good implementation. Clean, clear, and simple to use. I'm actually considering signing up.
[+] [-] powerflex|18 years ago|reply
In my opinion there are too many words off the bat to remember if you are new to the language. How about doing a delay of one where you define a Spanish word and its image(s) and then the question after next is the image to assign the Spanish or English word to it, then a few questions later its the Spanish word to assign the English word to it? That way you get a 1-2 punch to help memorize it.
[+] [-] ess|18 years ago|reply
[+] [-] nextmoveone|18 years ago|reply
The second page is a nightmare, too much content not enough call out/ organization, just calls to action.
Registration is painless, contrary to the feedback here.
The app is easy to use, but it's missing something. What I'm not sure...?
[+] [-] jbenz|18 years ago|reply
[+] [-] run4yourlives|18 years ago|reply
Once I farted around a bit, I liked your site. I should get that interest within 1-2 seconds though.
[+] [-] jbenz|18 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] axod|18 years ago|reply
Either allow everyone to just use it, or at least show them a demo, or let them play with something.
[+] [-] adammichaelc|18 years ago|reply
[+] [-] ess|18 years ago|reply
[+] [-] jawngee|18 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] wumi|18 years ago|reply
Because it's free sure -- but many people have tried and failed many language learning systems, so what value does ingolingo provide that an established player like Rosetta Stone doesn't?
[+] [-] ess|18 years ago|reply
[+] [-] staticshock|18 years ago|reply
the service itself seems valuable, though.
[+] [-] davidw|18 years ago|reply
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