Ask HN: How do you organize everything you want to do?
574 points| mezod | 7 years ago
In the end I spend more time reorganizing my ideas than working on them >.<
574 points| mezod | 7 years ago
In the end I spend more time reorganizing my ideas than working on them >.<
[+] [-] lovelearning|7 years ago|reply
- todo-year.txt : all goals for the year
- todo-month.txt : track subset of annual goals to finish this month
- todo-week.txt : track all monthly high-level tasks to finish this week
- todo.txt : daily task plan based on weekly plan. Switch tasks every 1 hour. In a day, I plan for about 4 tasks, so each task ends up getting about 2 hours.
Self-employed consultant here who has suffered from chronic procrastination after my daily routine became disorganized and unsupervised for some years. If I focus on only one thing for days on end, I feel I'm not doing much. The system above has helped me reduce (but not eliminate) both procrastination and distractions, and given me some satisfaction that I'm being relatively more productive.
[+] [-] klenwell|7 years ago|reply
- Daily
- Weekly
- Monthly
- [YEAR] Completed
I like Trello because the cards support checklists, due dates, and comments which are great features for promoting habits associated with getting stuff done. Some cards are recurring (getting moved from monthly or weekly to daily column), others are finishable. I take a small but real pleasure in moving cards between columns and especially getting things over into the annual completed column.
One note on the due dates: I don't use due dates as deadlines. I use them as "check in on this no later than" dates. For me, the distinction is critical.
[+] [-] rodolphoarruda|7 years ago|reply
- health: things I need to do to improve my health. It goes from food recipes to medical appointments to exam results.
- future: I'm in my mid-forties, so I look ahead with more pragmatism in my eyes. In this file I put the kind of work (or projects) I want to be involved with until retirement (included). Info here serves as directives for all the things I need/want to do.
- want!: here I list the things I want to buy in order to "settle down" as a consumer. I put a total cost of things in the bottom line of the file. It shows $ 12,000 as of today.
- tasks: my consolidated to-do list.
[+] [-] graeme|7 years ago|reply
Do those go in the list, or are they handled elsewhere?
Review and menial tasks are the two things that trip up my efforts at a system.
Also, where do you keep working notes for tasks in these lists: in the list or elsewhere?
I'm very interested, it sounds like a good system.
[+] [-] juvoni|7 years ago|reply
It's similar to reverse engineering the year starting from the year end goals, although I personally think more in terms of building personal systems instead of setting annual goals.
The book "The One Thing" talks a bit more about that concept of breaking down the year into, quarters, then from quarters into months and then into weekly sprints and daily tasks.
I also wrote a little bit about my high level process here: https://juvoni.com/you-are-a-rocketship/
[+] [-] dorfsmay|7 years ago|reply
This year I have started to the same thing, split into today/this_week/this_month but also buy, sell, and for repetitive events, monthly (change passwords, upgrade comps, lubricate all the things), spring and autumn.
I try to review most weekly, with a special focus on this_week, this_month, buy and sell.
[+] [-] rsync|7 years ago|reply
I do the same thing but I keep all of them in a single text file and hide sections with the "fold" feature of vim.
I tried last year to dive deep into markdown and emacs and evil mode, blah blah blah, but in the end the only thing I really needed was the folding feature of vim.
What makes it work for me is folding based on any kind of indent (tab or space) and fold-toggle with the 'tab' key.
The indent folding I use is at 0xRKTFUG[1] and the tab-as-fold-toggle (along with a few other folding items) is at 0x3HS2RD.
[1] https://0x.co/RKTFUG ... and so on ...
[+] [-] MarsAscendant|7 years ago|reply
Do you consult upper-tier lists when making lower-tier assignments?
[+] [-] charlesju|7 years ago|reply
Here are some other tips:
-- I sync my TODO.txt with Google Drive so when I switch computers, or I want to check on my phone it's sync'd.
-- I don't do weekly or monthly goals, but I do yearly check-ins with myself and every few weeks after I feel like I'm not as focused as I want to be. I keep those goals in Google Docs since those are things that I want a more permanent place.
[+] [-] Sir_Cmpwn|7 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] wrkronmiller|7 years ago|reply
Edit: for example if you are waiting on an update to a library or a new version of iOS/Xcode?
[+] [-] billfruit|7 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] dharmapure|7 years ago|reply
At the beginning of a sprint, the project manager sat down for about 10 minutes and looked at all the cards in the inbox and decided if any should be moved to the backlog. He then rearranged the cards from most to least important.
This prevented the need to think at all when working on the project - I just took the top card from the backlog and put it into in progress until it was done.
I realized, why don't I do this for my own projects too? Since my own projects aren't paid, I for some reason think they should just be able to be done without organization. I've implemented this same system in Trello for arbitrary projects and it seems to work well when I use it. Also nice that it makes it easy to collaborate if relevant but that isn't required.
It's a hard problem though - figuring out how to "Just Get Things DoneTM" is a skill that requires trial and error to figure out what you'll actually stick to, but in some ways is the most important thing to figure out.
I also highly recommend the book The One Thing - my coach recommended it to me and though it started a little fluffy the second and third sections were solid. In short, doing less helps a lot.
The Twelve Week Year is another book with some good ideas - instead of planning long into the future, plan only on a quarterly basis, and have that quarter align with your grand vision for the future.
Happy to chat more about this, as it's a problem I've wrasseled with a lot too as a self-employed freelancer. My email's in my profile.
[+] [-] mezod|7 years ago|reply
Funnily, 5 years ago I developed my own personal kanban tool. It's still running on http://multikanban.com Of course Trello is a thousand times more powerful and polished. I was just sharing to show that I had my "personal kanban" phase in the past. It worked for some time... but for some reason I stopped really benefiting from it. The idea was to have multiple kanban boards easily accessible, where each board would be a project. "Todos", "Money", "Family", "Refurbish motorcycle", "Code projext X", etc. Of course it worked nicely for specific projects since it helps you be very critical about what gets done and what doesn't. But I think the problem I experienced there is that basically I ended up working on a single project, two at best. Like they were top priority and they never got finished, so I missed on everything else. I still have this problem now, that's why I try something different like having specific times of the day/week allocated to "main project", "sideproject", "money", etc. I just feel that the more thought I put into it, the more complex the system becomes, the less likely is it for me to follow it through.
I did https://everyday.app to sort of define a schedule of habits I want to follow through every day, and so I feel progress in all directions I want to work on.
Thanks for the book recommendations :)
[+] [-] davidscolgan|7 years ago|reply
[+] [-] taurath|7 years ago|reply
[+] [-] j45|7 years ago|reply
Appreciate the other books you recommended. I have posted the books that helped me in this thread too.
[+] [-] b_b|7 years ago|reply
[0] = https://www.amazon.com/Getting-Things-Done-Stress-Free-Produ...
[+] [-] slsii|7 years ago|reply
This accomplishes two things for me: 1) any time I open a new tab, I get a reminder of what needs to be done 2) adding an item or recording an idea to be processed later is just a cmd-t away.
This approach (combined with the Trello mobile app) has made the list so easy to maintain it's almost hard not to use it. YMMV, of course.
[+] [-] elliotec|7 years ago|reply
[+] [-] TarpitCarnivore|7 years ago|reply
Additionally it became rather humorous to see how the most minute things became 'projects'. Sometimes it's worth just stepping back and observing what you're considering to be 'projects' or 'tasks' and ask if you're over doing it.
[+] [-] JunkDNA|7 years ago|reply
As I have moved into professional roles with progressively more responsibility, the tools and techniques in this book are what have allowed me to scale myself out in a way that my prior ways of working would not have enabled. Many productivity tips (such as inbox zero) have their roots in this book.
[+] [-] BeetleB|7 years ago|reply
I mean, I kept using it, thinking it was working, but I'd look back and ask myself key questions:
1. How often do I stop looking at my lists, because I felt overwhelmed?
2. How often do I need to spend a large amount of time cleaning up the lists?
3. How often are things getting missed? How often am I doing things not in my GTD lists because I couldn't figure out how to put it in there?
4. How often do I tweak my GTD system to fix the above?
And so on - I realized that while GTD was of some help, it was not really working.
It did have some useful things/ideas, and as such it was not at all a waste. However, it really didn't do a good job of the fact that my lists were huge. I think he recommends looking at your Someday/Maybe in the weekly (or monthly?) review. That list is huge.
Even the TODO list can be large with his system. I don't think he addresses granularity well. Should my TODOs be the mundane small things, or just the big picture project (he leans towards the former). In reality, the potential Next Action on a project could be multiple things, so I would have multiple TODOs (it's not always clear which one I can do first due to external constraints).
His system is mostly priority agnostic. He does address it a little (10000 ft view, etc), but it was very vague.
No clear guidance on how to know if you're trying to do too much. Especially needed with GTD, because as a system, it makes it easy to try to do too much.
I think if someone could write a book with all the stuff GTD is poor at or doesn't address, with solutions, then GTD + that system may actually be great.
It's a good book, but don't beat yourself up if it doesn't work well for you. Try to tweak it to your needs, and if that doesn't work, look for something else.
[+] [-] maire|7 years ago|reply
Since I retired my tasks are by nature proactive (since they come from me). I tend to organize by long term goals. I start a goal by defining the success criteria for that goal then each long term goal is a "project" in an outline text file. Each morning I look at my long term goals and decide what I want to make progress on today. That turns into a backlog for today.
Since one of my long term goals was to learn swift - I wrote an iphone app to parse the file for items marked "@today" and turn that into a todo list that I can carry with me. Apple made this convenient when they added an icloud file system for the iphone.
[+] [-] j45|7 years ago|reply
The book is easy to start with as your read it because it ties together skills you already have with creating an air tight system that enables your brain to trust you trust you not to forget anything - lowering your mental and cognitive load so you can focus in the present by taking a unique approach..
It literally lets you collect every random thought that has no relevance to the moment, capture it in a "someday/maybe" pile and put it away for future review. The brain, one emptied is ready to focus.
The new edition is updated for digital life too, which is great, I try to read it every year or two as well to keep sharp, the current read has been a nice refresher.
Currently using the newest 2Do app between Android/MacOS/Windows /iOS. It's really decent inter platform tool. If you're all Mac a lot of people like omnifocus too. I found other apps (things, toodle, rtm) lack the ability to break apart projects into super detail when needed but otherwise are great.
There are a few other books that help build a car around this engine (Mindset, Focal Point, So good they can't ignore you, Deep Work), but a car without an engine isn't a car.
[+] [-] davidscolgan|7 years ago|reply
[+] [-] JackMcMack|7 years ago|reply
A few takeaways for me:
* There is no (need for) 1 list to rule them all. I'm using Google Inbox, Calendar, Keep, Post-it notes in the house on doors & walls, and a handwritten notebook for my day job.
* Inbox helped me organize a lot better. Snooze is great for getting an empty inbox. It used to have "snooze to someday" to incubate, but unfortunately that's not an option anymore. I still have 50+ items in there that I review a few times a year. I'm sad inbox is getting killed. Gmail has most of the functionality, but the UI is waaaay to busy.
* Keep is nice for simple lists. Grocery shopping has become a lot faster and easier. I will try to order the list so I can pick up everything in one pass. The kids & wife are joining the shopping trip? We can split up, see the list update instantly, and be done in half the time.
* GTD defines 5 phases: collect, process, organize, review, do. I wasn't used to having collect as a separate phase, but a lot of sites make this easy. Inbox has reminders, and a browser extension to save any page, Reddit has a save button, Inoreader has starred items. HN even has a favorite button, but does a very good job of hiding it. Seriously, I have to click on the post/comment age to favorite it?
[+] [-] justadudeama|7 years ago|reply
Some of the information on it is getting a _little_ bit dated. In particular, it talks a lot about the different 'contexts' you have your tasks to complete, like at home, at work, at a coffee shop, etc. I feel like this holds up a little bit less nowadays, because almost the entirety of all my work can be done if I have my laptop with me.
This book is a great foundation for you to build off of and make your own 'system'.
[+] [-] organsnyder|7 years ago|reply
When I'm overwhelmed with must-dos (rather than just want-to-dos), I try to remind myself that I just need to be doing something. It might not be the perfectly optimal thing to be doing at that particular time (though often it is), but it is indisputably better than paralysis.
[+] [-] ivanmaeder|7 years ago|reply
Indeed.
I recently discovered Pomodoro helps me stop worrying about doing the most optimal thing: it gives me an "excuse" to just do one thing for 25 minutes at a time. What's the harm!
An interesting side effect of doing something/anything is that soon enough the real priorities become clearer.
[+] [-] enibundo|7 years ago|reply
[+] [-] ArtWomb|7 years ago|reply
I thought it was really interesting to hear about Ninja, the fabled Fortnite streamer, talk about his work ethic. Which was basically to have two 4 hour chunks of livestreaming per day. One in the morning, and one at night. Separated by a 4 hour slot in the middle to spend with family and friends. He's had the discipline to keep it up for a decade, even when few people were watching. But having that accountability of an audience to livestream to, provides the impetus for daily progress.
Best of luck ;)
[+] [-] taurath|7 years ago|reply
[+] [-] burtonator|7 years ago|reply
https://getpolarized.io/
You guys loved it:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=18219960
... but I'm sure not all of you have seen it yet.
Basically you can keep all your books and web pages in one central repository, tag them, flag them or archive them and read them while keeping track of your reading.
It also supports highlights, annotations, etc.
It's also Open Source and free so have at it!
[+] [-] Memosyne|7 years ago|reply
I do this because I'm not prescient; I don't know how unforeseen circumstances might affect my ability to complete my objectives. By only writing down things that I have completed, I'm not discouraging myself if/when I can't finish something.
Here is an example of what I mean:
# January
In short, I just organize my ideas into broad categories and then when I think I've progressed, I further categorize it.[+] [-] mondo9000|7 years ago|reply
[+] [-] confounded|7 years ago|reply
Without explaining my whole process, here are some general tips from trying to do this various ways over the last few years:
- Regularly review your TODOs, and keep them up-to-date. This is way more important than the tool you pick. Pick a slot in your calendar, fight to protect that time, and stick to it. Ultimately all these systems are just a UI veneer on you regularly deciding what’s important. It’s easy to focus on tools and not sticking to a regular process.
- Start small It’s very easy to barf everything you want to do into a system and then be completely overwhelmed by it. If this is a problem, use the review process so that you always have a list of what you actually expect to do in the next day, week, and month. Be realistic.
- Have goals at different time horizons, and have reviews for them. The GTD system of daily, weekly, monthly and annual reviews works well for me.
- Become comfortable with putting complex multidimensional things into coarse little buckets. E.g. this is a task, this is a goal; this is kinda for project A and B, but I’ll put it here; this deadline is self-imposed, this one is for a release, etc. etc. There’s no trick here apart from keep doing it, realize that these are only abstractions which are supposed to be useful to you. You’ll change them over time, but...
- Aggressively separate doing your review system, and improving it. It can be easy to sit down to review what you want to do in the next week/month/year, and end up fiddling around with how your system works. Both are neccessary, but the reviews must happen, and improving your system is a separate activity which you can schedule when appropriate!
Finally...
- Dont sweat it. It takes work, and everyone’s system is more of a mess when you look at it vs. hear them explain it. The most important thing is regularly dedicate time to thinking about how you want to spend time.
[+] [-] elorant|7 years ago|reply
I suppose if you can focus on a single project you don't need to go into such lengths of detailed logging. But for me it's imperative to keep detailed notes because I work on multiple projects simultaneously, and I can also keep track of older ideas that might get lost in the mayhem that goes around in my head. The best way to stop procrastinating is to break down projects to single tasks. Then I don't feel overwhelmed by the variety of tasks I have to accomplish. I only need to do a single task each time. I've adopted this system in the last couple of years and my productivity has increased at least 100%.
[+] [-] mourner|7 years ago|reply
[1] https://bulletjournal.com
[+] [-] crabl|7 years ago|reply
[+] [-] runjake|7 years ago|reply
I don't know the ins and outs of GTD. I skimmed through the book enough to get started. I periodically look things up when I have a question.
I literally have this flowchart [1] printed out and at my desks at home and work to serve as a constant reminder when I feel overwhelmed.
I AVOID READING GTD-RELATED TOPICS AND TRYING NEW APPS AND TOOLS. This is crucial, otherwise I will get sidetracked into new methodologies and reinventions.
What I have now, works, and I want to avoid the productivity porn trap. Pick something that works well enough and make small iterations[2] to reduce frictions.
Other important points:
- Identify all of your inboxes and work to keep on them. And maintain a single physical inbox at home and work. - Perform a weekly review of your tasks and make adjustments as necessary.
1. https://lifedev.net/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/gtd-workflow....
2. This is critical. No major changes at once.
[+] [-] burnt_toast|7 years ago|reply
I like to apply this principle to a lot of the ideas I choose to work on. It's easy to think that every idea is the cat's pajamas, but sometimes it's best to let the concept cook for a bit. I find that after a few days or so the idea will have either fizzled out, and I'll have forgotten about it, or I'll be itching to really work on it.
This is just my 2 cents.
[+] [-] rcarmo|7 years ago|reply
I also use my calendar for timekeeping (I’ll toggle over to it and move time slots around to plan when I’ll get to the next task on my plate). My priorities are fairly fluid, and I will often move a longer task later in the week and fish out smaller things from my e-mail backlog or checklists to fill that gap.
I just _do_ stuff, and focus on clearing out my inbox and checking out those lists afterwards as part of the cleaning up/re-focusing in between tasks. I also don’t worry too much about not getting something done, because if it doesn’t happen at all, there were certainly more important things that got done in the meantime.
For checklists, OneNote works mostly fine offline (it’s been years since I had trouble with syncing, and was hesitant to move to it because of that) and on all platforms I carry around with me.
I do think about going back to a pure text file set up now and then, but the closest I get is using GitHub flavored Markdown for checklists and roadmaps (most of my READMEs on GitHub have a checklist of what needs to be done, and of late I’ve taken to adding similar lists to my Azure portal for projects).
Again, do stuff. Document it. Plan next steps. Iterate.
[+] [-] alfonsodev|7 years ago|reply
It might seem a bit weird but it works for me, problably because the familiarity with the tool and the versatility of Slack.
Also it helps to have this place to quickly dump ideas in the right channel and move on so you are not distracted at work, you can come back to the channel when you have the time for it.
[+] [-] tunesmith|7 years ago|reply
I have a whole system for that, but the upshot is that if you find yourself doing something that isn't on the graph, then you have a choice - either update your graph to justify why it's necessary, or... consider not doing it anymore.
Kind of an anti-todo list. Because when I had earlier only used todo lists, my completist nature led me to get overwhelmed with list items. This other system helps prevent that.
[+] [-] anujsharmax|7 years ago|reply
http://doc.norang.ca/org-mode.html
This is the most comprehensive setup I found, and I have modified it to suit my workflow.
I use dropbox to save all the Org files, which I can open (view/edit) on my phone with Orgzly.
As a philosophy, I don't do everything I write in the task list. It is just there to keep my mind empty to think clearly. I actively find tasks to take off the list - by delegating it, by paying someone else to do it, or by just saying no to those tasks.
[+] [-] adrianvoica|7 years ago|reply
P.S.: I keep talking about things that you need to "learn" / "do". Actually that sums up everything we do in our lives. We either learn something or we use what we already learned. Keep learning, keep doing!
NL0 4ever! :)
[+] [-] D4RKH0R53|7 years ago|reply
Hope it will help you...