Several hours on Instant Domain Search, eventually finding one that was expiring, slapping down $18 at GoDaddy, and waiting patiently for it to finally be released. That's how we got lalife.com and, just today, localgo.com for our upcoming site.
Okay, actually, we got LALife.com directly from GoDaddy a few months before they started auctioning off such domains. But localgo.com just flat-out expired, was picked up by two domain kiters for a week or so, then was completely available.
There are a lot of names that expire every day. Maybe you don't want hearcon.com, lolmat.com, gotajet.com, gotomit.com or liewell.com (all available since two days ago), but hey, somebody once did for some reason. It's worth considering.
Admittedly, you want to avoid ambiguous sites with expired domains, since you often can't grab alternate spellings. True story: one of my friends is the founder of a startup called Flixor, and I was dumbfounded to discover one morning that TechCrunch had a story on Flikzor. With a Z and a freakin' K! People, people! So you may want to cover your bases as much as possible for the simple fact that names as scarce as they are.
I don't know a good site for searching through expired domains securely, though. Anyone have a suggestion?
After involving a few startups myself, I've a few advices to give you all:
1. Try hard to make a name that is not more than Three syllables: see how Apple names their names from corporate name "Apple" to products like "iPod", "iTunes", "WebObjects", etc. Chances are, you'll chain your company name with another product: "Apple iPod". So keep it SHORT!!
2. Make sure you speak the name 100 times to yourself, just make sure it is easy to say. Imagine your operator has to say "Welcome to XXX" thousand times a day.
3. Make sure non-English speakers can speak it easily, and not embarrased. So please, no weird "Z" or other tricky accent. If your Chinese/Japanese/Korean/French/Italian friends have no problem speaking, you're A-Okay, otherwise do it again.
4. Make sure you get the name right the first time. It is pain in the butt to change company name later.... bank accounts, merchant accounts, address, and other paperwork will drive you crazy. I learned it the hard way.
On a side note, I run a little online flower shop that is catered to a smaller market in Asia. We named it fleur.hk instead of some super long abc-flower-shop.com names. Well, I can tell you we have the shortest flower shop name in Asia, super easy to remember. No problem getting traffic whatsoever.
So if your company only focus for a specific country, go ahead to use some their .com TLDs.
One trick I've used is to listen & prompt youngsters to talk. Early speech requires mimicry of sounds. But listening to words for the first time doesn't always yield results. So you get a sort of 'human understandable babble' that sounds like a word, but isn't.
The result is unique, understandable. Sometimes it works, other times it might sound like something straight off the Teletubbies. It's better than trying to make one up out of thin air.
I find this sometimes gives incorrect results, as if my fast typing speed and slow link speed cause problems, especially if I backspace multiple times to remove characters from the end.
I've had false positives because of this, i.e. I've gone away thinking "that's it, and it's available" only to find out the next day from WHOIS that it's been registered for months.
So, double-check any you really like with whois(1) or similar.
I think the problem is that people would still just use the .com domain, so your marketing investments would simply benefits your competitors.
Which makes me think, what is the default behavior of browsers? Surprisingly many people only type the company name into the url field (without www or .com) - I think then they are at the mercy of msn search?
You really want to own the .com, I think. Some URL's for foreign countries are pretty cool, but if people don't quite remember the name, they're going to attach a .com at the end.
I recently tried PickyDomains.com, which was a suggestion from news.ycombinator. My task was an "umbrella page" - I am tired of this domain name problem, so I figured I need something like google or yahoo - when they create a new service, they just create a subdomain (maps.google.com, answers.yahoo.com, whatever.google.com...).
What PickyDomains came up with is Artifia.com (since I mentioned artificial intelligence, I guess). So here is my question to news.yc: what do you think about that name? I am not a native speaker, so it is hard for me to judge (sounds good in German, not even sure how it would be pronounced in english). I think the name could grow on me.
It's a challenging process.... I was consumed by it for months--every word I saw was a potential name. Finally one of my inspirations paid off and I found an open domain I liked (fluther.com).
My only advice is to open your mind to lots of ideas, and try and find a name which will match your branding.
We focused on making sure our name was memorable and easy to spell. It's a bit goofy, but I'm pretty sure if you saw it briefly in an article or overheard someone talking about the site you'd be able to easily find it later.
Technology startup names normally depends on available domain names. Try our domain naming service http://grabagooddomain.com We have helped some other startups.
Lacking any imagination, I named my startup, Xackup, since we were doing X different kinds of backup (outlook, web-based, ical, storage agnostic, mobile, etc.) across X different platforms/devices.
I like the name and it looks nice in print, but I think a good test would be to tell someone verbally to go to xackup.[tld] and see if they spell it right.
I had my heart set on another domain, whose owner wanted to rent it to me. That sounded like a really bad arrangement to me, so I finally found a domain that wasn't taken, ourdoings.com.
I took one of my favorite Rush songs and put 'soft' after it. Bravadosoft. I think this gives the company instant credibility with the right kind of folks. :)
Easy. Just think of an awesome, super-cool name and check WhoIs. Repeat until you finally decide on something that sounds so stupid, nobody has taken it yet.
[+] [-] zach|19 years ago|reply
Several hours on Instant Domain Search, eventually finding one that was expiring, slapping down $18 at GoDaddy, and waiting patiently for it to finally be released. That's how we got lalife.com and, just today, localgo.com for our upcoming site.
Okay, actually, we got LALife.com directly from GoDaddy a few months before they started auctioning off such domains. But localgo.com just flat-out expired, was picked up by two domain kiters for a week or so, then was completely available.
There are a lot of names that expire every day. Maybe you don't want hearcon.com, lolmat.com, gotajet.com, gotomit.com or liewell.com (all available since two days ago), but hey, somebody once did for some reason. It's worth considering.
Admittedly, you want to avoid ambiguous sites with expired domains, since you often can't grab alternate spellings. True story: one of my friends is the founder of a startup called Flixor, and I was dumbfounded to discover one morning that TechCrunch had a story on Flikzor. With a Z and a freakin' K! People, people! So you may want to cover your bases as much as possible for the simple fact that names as scarce as they are.
I don't know a good site for searching through expired domains securely, though. Anyone have a suggestion?
[+] [-] maliciouskitty|19 years ago|reply
1. Try hard to make a name that is not more than Three syllables: see how Apple names their names from corporate name "Apple" to products like "iPod", "iTunes", "WebObjects", etc. Chances are, you'll chain your company name with another product: "Apple iPod". So keep it SHORT!!
2. Make sure you speak the name 100 times to yourself, just make sure it is easy to say. Imagine your operator has to say "Welcome to XXX" thousand times a day.
3. Make sure non-English speakers can speak it easily, and not embarrased. So please, no weird "Z" or other tricky accent. If your Chinese/Japanese/Korean/French/Italian friends have no problem speaking, you're A-Okay, otherwise do it again.
4. Make sure you get the name right the first time. It is pain in the butt to change company name later.... bank accounts, merchant accounts, address, and other paperwork will drive you crazy. I learned it the hard way.
On a side note, I run a little online flower shop that is catered to a smaller market in Asia. We named it fleur.hk instead of some super long abc-flower-shop.com names. Well, I can tell you we have the shortest flower shop name in Asia, super easy to remember. No problem getting traffic whatsoever.
So if your company only focus for a specific country, go ahead to use some their .com TLDs.
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[+] [-] terpua|19 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] bootload|19 years ago|reply
The result is unique, understandable. Sometimes it works, other times it might sound like something straight off the Teletubbies. It's better than trying to make one up out of thin air.
[+] [-] weel|19 years ago|reply
[+] [-] joshwa|19 years ago|reply
http://instantdomainsearch.com/
[+] [-] ralph|19 years ago|reply
I've had false positives because of this, i.e. I've gone away thinking "that's it, and it's available" only to find out the next day from WHOIS that it's been registered for months.
So, double-check any you really like with whois(1) or similar.
[+] [-] migpwr|19 years ago|reply
Has anyone started looking at european extensions like .es, .pl, .lv etc... ? Domains like imin.lv ha!
How would a foreign extension affect user search results? Would you show up in a US search if you're under .es?
[+] [-] Tichy|19 years ago|reply
Which makes me think, what is the default behavior of browsers? Surprisingly many people only type the company name into the url field (without www or .com) - I think then they are at the mercy of msn search?
[+] [-] davidw|19 years ago|reply
[+] [-] Tichy|19 years ago|reply
What PickyDomains came up with is Artifia.com (since I mentioned artificial intelligence, I guess). So here is my question to news.yc: what do you think about that name? I am not a native speaker, so it is hard for me to judge (sounds good in German, not even sure how it would be pronounced in english). I think the name could grow on me.
[+] [-] ralph|19 years ago|reply
[+] [-] jobenjo|19 years ago|reply
My only advice is to open your mind to lots of ideas, and try and find a name which will match your branding.
A great tool (I wish I knew about when I was starting): http://ajaxwhois.com
[+] [-] litepost|19 years ago|reply
But seriously...it did come to me while I was sleeping:
The subconscious mind is phenomenally powerful. It is best harnessed, for some people, through meditation or sleep.
Frankly, I was amazed the URL(s) were still available.
(Truncated spelling of core concepts is all.)
[+] [-] trajan|19 years ago|reply
And no, I'm not ready to share the name yet. :)
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2) Modified various words/merged/played with them.
3) Searched availability of .com domains.
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