Ask HN: Salaries for remote depend on location?

[curiousnonSF]

Anyone know - are remote workers who live in "cheaper" areas paid less because of "cost-of-living" or are they paid same?

I'm especially curious about Bay Area companies who hire remote. Do they pay remote employees who live outside of the Bay Area less than what they pay employees who live in the Bay Area?

[jasonkester]

You get paid what you negotiate for yourself. If you agree to make less because you live somewhere other then the Bay Area then you make less.

The question is: why would you do that?

Your value to an employer is the same regardless of where you physically do the work. Keep that in mind when negotiating, and be sure to give a little chuckle over the phone when they suggest paying you less because you live where you do. No. But nice try.

[syllogism]

If the person you're negotiating with isn't a complete push over, they'll say "No. But nice try." right back to you.

Your value to the employer might be no different, but your employer's value to you is much higher. There are fewer remote employment opportunities, and the employer knows the local ones pay much less. So, you're negotiating from a worse position, and you'll probably end up with a worse deal.

Of course, that's their case to make, and you shouldn't make it for them. But, the reality is, your remote work salary is probably going to be influenced by your local conditions.

[loumf]

I believe that the benefit of my choice to live in a low-cost area should accrue to me. If the company really believes in a remote workforce, they should pay based on value to the company. I am also saving the company on rent and probably some office-only benefits.

In general, they pay the high-cost-of-living person more because they won't take the job otherwise -- you could also not take the job otherwise.

You will have a harder time finding this, and it's a lot easier if you have the skills to back it up. You have to be as productive as an in-office employee and constantly make sure that is understood.

[JoeAltmaier]

Lets go one step further - don't tell them where you're (going to) live. Now what can they do? Guess? Because really its no more your employer's business than what car you drive or your kids' names.

[munimkazia]

There's no hard and fast rule. It is up to the employer, and how well you can negotiate.

I work for an American company while staying in India. I am in a senior position, and they are paying me a little on the lower spectrum of what a developer like me would make in the US. But it is a lot more than what the average developer like me would make in India.

Technically, your employer should value your work and pay you regardless of where you are staying, but during negotiations, they will bring up your local cost of living (and I don't blame them for that).

[Jacky800]

Do you mind telling for which company do you work for ?

[ChintanGhate]

That might sound like a convincing argument while a negotiation, but IMHO, remote or not, salaries should be negotiated based on skills of the worker and not the cost of living of his/her location. Ultimately, you get what you negotiate for.

[chrisBob]

You may view your value based on your skills alone, but the employer is likely trying to hire you for the lowest rate possible that will keep you happy and make you likely to stay. The local cost of living does play into that partially because someone in the bay area can find a local job with higher pay while someone in the mid west will find remote work to be the most profitable.

Eventually this market should lead to people moving to lower cost of living areas because they are more likely to be hired for a livable wage there.

[beech]

Have a read of http://open.bufferapp.com/introducing-open-salaries-at-buffe....

Buffer have a base rate and then an additional sum based on location. Locations are split into 4 categories depending on how expensive they are to live in. Seems like a fair way of doing it, but obviously depends on the employer.

[avalaunch]

I'm not sure how that's fair. Should they also adjust your salary based on how expensive your car is? The value you provide to them remains constant despite where you choose to live. Why should you be punished for living somewhere less desirable? Presumably part of the reason you would choose to live in a less expensive location is so you can save more money. This to me seems like they're pocketing money that should rightfully be the employees.

[glimcat]

Not implicitly, although people are free to use that as a negotiation tactic.

If people try to negotiate you down, you negotiate them right back.

[laurenstill]

I'm the opposite. I live in SF but work for a AZ company, and am kinda getting the shaft on that. It's something I've accepted (for now) since I really couldn't ask for a better job.

[ablerman]

Absolutely, that's why I hire someone in the midwest instead of in town.