Ask HN: I'm going to have to lay people off, and want your advice
141 points| sadthrowaway | 10 years ago
(Probably helpful if you note whether you are someone who has been laid off well or poorly, someone who has laid people off, or just have thoughts about it.)
[+] [-] steven2012|10 years ago|reply
First off, if you're going to do layoffs, make sure it's one and done. This means, probably cutting more than you have to so that you don't have to keep making layoffs in 6 months, etc. The quicker you can get back to hiring, the better it will be for morale.
Layoff your lowest performers first. If you don't, then your top performers will leave you, and you will get crippled within less than a year. Don't do something like ask everyone to take a paycut, because it means that your top performers suffer just as much as your low performers. You should get rid of your low performers quickly.
Try to give as generous a severance package that you can. And meet with each of them face-to-face if possible, but with several dozen it's probably impossible.
Make it quick and let them leave with dignity. That means let them say bye to their friends, and making sure that every single question they may have answered. COBRA, unvested options, Unemployment benefits, etc. Personally I wouldn't escort them out or lock their accounts unless you think that they are going to cause problems. Hopefully they won't.
Do all the layoffs before lunch. Have a meeting with the rest of the company after the layoffs, after lunch and explain why you had to do it, and explain your plan to ensure that it doesn't happen again.
Never tell the employees how YOU feel. No one cares.
[+] [-] monksy|10 years ago|reply
I'm not sure if I agree with you on the saying the good byes. Linkedin is a bit better than that. The worst thing you can do is send them back to their desk to backup and make the announcement while they're packing.
[+] [-] danielodio|10 years ago|reply
I agree with @steven2012's feedback. To add a few things:
1) I'd recommend you work with your attorneys to draft up a termination agreement that includes a severance package. I'd also recommend you cut a check and include it with the letter. When you sit them down to talk them through the agreement (individually), you can present check to them and ask them to sign it and take the check. You don't want to force them into signing anything, but you also do want to try to get it done cleanly and completely for the sake of the business moving forward. If they hesitate or say they want to review the terms later, or with an attorney, don't push it. But do make the check large enough that it'll be easy for them to sign on the spot if at all possible -- you want to treat them fairly and not have to deal with loose ends later if you can help it.
2) It's extremely important to take the "one and done" deeper cut approach. There's nothing worse than everyone wondering when the other shoe is going to drop. I'd recommend you take the remaining team out to lunch and make sure they know that they are safe -- and you all have to rally together to make the company a success.
As an aside -- the only regret I've ever had is waiting to fire people that I knew had to go. Learning to be more aggressive about moving under-performers out faster has been one silver lining from the whole process, over time.
Good luck. It's a terrible foreboding feeling going into it, but you'll fee a big sense of relief afterwards, and if the employees you're letting go are unhappy in their jobs, they may end up thanking you later for helping them move on to find something they loved more.
[+] [-] davemel37|10 years ago|reply
This is really important advice. Telling them how you feel trivializes their loss and pain. It is also extremely selfish, because it has nothing to do with making their situation better it has to do with you trying to selfishly overcome your own guilt. Only a jerk would do that when someone just got fired.
[+] [-] scintill76|10 years ago|reply
I'm not sure exactly what accounts you have in mind, but general I would lock them all, no matter what. You may trust them to not retaliate, but do you trust them to have chosen a password that they didn't use anywhere else and didn't get keylogged and didn't give to phishers, and that their account will not be compromised in any other way?
Maybe email is tricky, since they could potentially have some personal stuff they want to retrieve. Perhaps the helpdesk can assist them in that case; or give them 5 days or so where they can still access email.
(If it matters, I have zero experience in this, just an interest in security.)
Edit: I now see you probably meant just giving something like the rest of the day on the lock, if you trust them.
[+] [-] ScotW|10 years ago|reply
[+] [-] caseysoftware|10 years ago|reply
As much as it sucks, you have to do this asap. While most people will behave most of the time, getting laid off is one of those times where everything goes a little out of focus and people make dumb decisions without thinking things through. They may do it in a way that only reflects on them but quite often it can reflect on the company and sow more doubt and fear in the organization.
I think the most important part for going forward is the first meeting post-layoffs. Rumors will be forming, tensions will be high, and some people will still be texting with the friend you just fired. This will be the best - and potentially only - time to kill some of those wild ideas before they become rumors.
[+] [-] balls187|10 years ago|reply
Hopefully you have a corporate policy regarding this. Ours is to lock access to accounts within 30 minutes of notification. It's just the best policy to have a uniform approach that is applied evenly.
For emails, have it autoforward to an IT monitored, or your own account. Occasionally you may have an employee who needs access to something via an account that is tied to their work email.
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[+] [-] zak_mc_kracken|10 years ago|reply
Not trying to be heartless here, just trying to point out that there are two sides to all stories, including tragic ones.
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[+] [-] JacobAldridge|10 years ago|reply
A common mistake when winding back a company is only pulling it back to break-even. Eg, 'Our revenue forecasts show we can cover 50 salaries, so let's cut back to 50 people.' There are two problems with this - first, if your forecasts are too optimistic, you will be forced to do another round of cuts and the team / clients will start fearing a death spiral. Second, cutting a business back to break even leaves you with no spare cash flow to invest in future growth - you risk stagnating. Better to add an extra 10% to the layoffs now than risk the remainder of the business.
From there, the decision about who to let go is sometimes obvious (you might be dropping a product line, have an underperforming team, or some stand-out low performers). Do what you can to re-deploy your top performers elsewhere within the company - you'll want them, and their advocacy, moving forward. Where it's not obvious, and you can't get guidance from team leaders etc, accept that it's going to be partly a crapshoot where nobody wins.
How you communicate the decision and the reason why is critical. steven2012 has covered this well elsewhere in the thread. Be honest, take responsibility, and be positive for the future you plan to create. Good luck.
[+] [-] antjanus|10 years ago|reply
Anyways... Half the company met in one place (and they got let go) and half the company stayed.
Do a single cut. The second cut prompted people to lose faith in the company. It didn't matter what the CEO said, most people simply believed that "this was it". Many started to look for other jobs. I believe the first one we called the "bloody Tuesday" and the second one was a "bloody Friday". It became a permanent joke/non-joke that whenever a big meeting was called, people were going to be let go. Or whenever someone talked about "strategy", it meant cutting departments. Not a good thing AT ALL.
Don't be a dick about it. From what I know, the people that got let go got a good severance and references. Both good things.
Make sure the morale stays up. Many of us had issues dealing with it. Productivity dropped, faith in the company, etc. Actually, the worst part was watching higher up people stay and not be affected, and slack off on top of it.
Nothing worse than seeing someone who makes 6 figures play Mario Kart in the break room for the whole day a few weeks after all this happened.
What DID help was that us lower folk started playing video games over lunch. It fostered new friendships, and helped us get productive again. But that got cut as well after people complained (to this day, I don't get it).
[+] [-] jryanwilliams|10 years ago|reply
[+] [-] blazespin|10 years ago|reply
If you can't do that, honestly, it's all just empty words and bullsht in my opinion. Someone screwed a lot of people by over hiring and mismanagement. Hope whoever was responsible for that is first to go.
[+] [-] BinaryIdiot|10 years ago|reply
Later on however the company announced 3 more rounds of layoffs, each having less and less severance and time before leaving. It would have been FAR better to cut many more people during the first round so they could have all gotten the same severance instead of later groups being essentially screwed.
[+] [-] idunno246|10 years ago|reply
This has some consequences, as after 90 days they lose ISO status and they'd lose all the tax benefits.
[+] [-] kls|10 years ago|reply
Chances are they already know it is coming, if work is slow and not coming in or the burn rate is high and you have run long on funds then they will be expecting it. Have a very clear plan to explain to those that stay, as to why the ship is righted now and how you plan to survive. Plan to loose at least a few of your best guys, if you loose one, use his/her salary to give the others a raise or you will lose them too.
Also cut the pessimist over the pragmatist or the optimist. In a layoff environment the pessimist will kill your company moral. If you got a guy that is say 15% better than another guy but he is a pessimist and the other guy is an optimist, keep the optimist. That being said, trim dead weight if they are just not skilled let them go not matter their outlook. As others have said, look to trim, trim more than you need.
[+] [-] artmageddon|10 years ago|reply
Having gotten laid off on a Monday morning at 10AM after spending the whole weekend working in anticipation of finishing a major deadline that day, I'm not sure I agree. I'd rather not find out though...
[+] [-] jjwiseman|10 years ago|reply
[+] [-] zak_mc_kracken|10 years ago|reply
Worst for the employee being laid off, best for the company doing the lay off.
Reddit recently used that approach to announce Ellen Pao's "resignation".
[+] [-] MalcolmDiggs|10 years ago|reply
My second suggestion is to go out of your way to be the best reference these people have ever had. Write letters of rec, tell them to list you personally as a reference (with your cell #), etc. And if you can, use your network to help them find new opportunities.
For those who remain, just try to be as honest as you can. If their jobs are possibly insecure, let them know as well.
Best of luck, I know this is hard.
[+] [-] cookiecaper|10 years ago|reply
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[+] [-] cookiecaper|10 years ago|reply
My advice is first, realize you're not going to be popular. Treat people with dignity but don't worry too much about how they will take it. They're going to take it poorly. They're going to be upset. If some of your employees aren't, then that's a bonus. With this in mind, don't let your process or productivity become unnecessarily disrupted and be very careful in making concessions.
With this many people, do it all at once. Don't make people wait in agony for hours or days waiting to see if they'll get called in next. The specifics on how to do that will depend on the structure and size of your company, but do not allow for suspense.
Like others said, treat the employees with dignity and offer a reasonable severance as far as is possible. This isn't about preserving your relationship with them, it's about being a decent human being and making accommodation to ease a large transition like that.
Good luck. Like I said above, don't overthink it or worry about preserving your employees' opinions -- just behave in a manner that seems both reasonable and decent to you and be satisfied with that. Making it fast, moving forward with resolve, and appearing like you know what you're doing will help comfort the remaining employees to whatever extent is possible.
[+] [-] declan|10 years ago|reply
- Managers should tell their direct reports personally, rather than delegating to someone else like HR. I still remember, unfondly, when one manager didn't want the burden of delivering the bad news and found someone else to do it.
- Give the people who will be laid off as much time as possible to send work emails, talk to colleagues, get taken to lunch, etc. As <steven2012> said, let them leave with dignity. Your employment agreement already prohibits misuse of corporate resources and criminal law prohibits theft of company property; as a general rule there's no need to have a security guard hovering over a desk.
- Write a letter of recommendation if your corporate policy allows and your employee's performance merits it. Give it to them in printed form and PDF. Don't merely offer to do it if they ask.
- As many others have said, do only one round of layoffs. Company morale can survive a single round. It may not survive repeated rounds, with nobody knowing when (and where) the next axe is going to fall.
- Communicate honestly with your remaining employees to the extent policy allows. The best managers will admit it if they don't know something.
[+] [-] davemel37|10 years ago|reply
If you really care about making it easier for the person being fired, this is a MUST. I have been on the opposite end where my employer simply said, "write something up and Ill take a look at it." Don't Do That. It is the same thing as telling them "you are dead to me, and aren't even worth the decency of two minutes of my time to reflect on the good you have done for my company, and the extra minute to think of a way to help you move forward."
Want to be decent, write the letter of recommendation in advance. The gesture will go a long way in keeping bridges from being burnt.
On the note of burnt bridges, I know of a nursing home company in Colorado that layed someone off in a not so courteous way and 10 years later she became the head of nursing home licensing in Colorado and the moment she found the first excuse, she revoked their license on 20 nursing homes, costing them tens of millions of dollars.
[+] [-] mathattack|10 years ago|reply
Some thoughts:
1 - When you have the announcement, be clear about the reasons for it. ("The market moved", "We didn't hit our revenue plan." or "Mgmt f*cked up.")
2 - Highlight the severity of the situation. ("If we don't do this, we have 3 months of runway left, which isn't enough time. If we do this, we have 9 months to get our act in gear.")
3 - Given the constraints of #2, be as generous as possible with severance.
4 - Never ever badmouth anyone who was let go as a result of this.
5 - Be a proactive reference for those let go. Don't just wait for calls - make placement calls for your people.
(Note - 3 through 5 is in part to be humane to those leaving, and in part to rally those left behind.)
6 - If at all possible, only cut once. Cut deeper if you need to just to avoid doing it twice.
7 - Be firm in the meetings. "This isn't about performance, it's about saving the company." It's not a negotiation. Have at least 1 witness in the meeting, ideally an HR person.
Note - all of these things still won't make it any better, just less worse. It's a tough thing to cut off your foot to save your leg. That's what you're doing.
[0] http://www.bhorowitz.com/the_right_way_to_lay_people_off
[+] [-] physcab|10 years ago|reply
Having said that, if I were about to get laid off there are some things that would ease the transition and make it more bearable. First worry is income. If you could guarantee a months severance, that would go a long way. Second is health insurance. If you could have all those resources prefigured out by the time I left, I'd be much happier. Third is promise of future income. If you could have recruiters on standby so that if I could make the choice to begin the job search, it would be great. Lastly, this is sorta extra credit, but experiencing job loss is quite tramatic. You can make counselors / work therapists available to be there in the time of need.
Basically what I'm trying to say, if you are going to let people go, make the only thing they have to worry about is getting over the shock of getting let go. That is unavoidable. But if they know they are being taken care of and empathized with, they'll get over it quickly.
[+] [-] IndianAstronaut|10 years ago|reply
[+] [-] throwaway781110|10 years ago|reply
Experience 1:
- Start deactivating their accounts a week before giving the news.
- Give 3 days severance pay and act like it's not just them not wanting to figure out how to cut 3 days out of a paycheck.
- Have the manager escort the employee to HR without a word, and then leave and let HR deal with the hard part.
Experience 2:
- Tell the employee over email while they're on vacation, and then never bother to have any follow-up in any form.
[+] [-] kethinov|10 years ago|reply
Some transparency into why the decision was made can be make it easier to move on. Generic reassurances that "it's not performance related" are not always helpful, particularly because that's so often bullshit.
It certainly was performance related to the extent that if the person being laid off was doing twice as much good work for half as much money then it's unlikely they'd have been let go. It's a hard thing to talk about, I know, but that's what people want to know when they ask why.
That way the person let go knows whether and how to adjust their performance going forward at their next job so they're more likely to survive that company's inevitable layoffs.
[+] [-] lsc|10 years ago|reply
>A lot of people who get laid off want to know why them and not a peer. Was their peer a better performer at the same pay grade? Or was their peer doing the same job for less money? Is the company looking to eliminate senior roles? Junior roles? Or was the selection completely random?
Hm. So, as an employee, I wouldn't believe any of those answers, were the boss to give them to me. As someone else said, "Severance... everything else is just words" - but it is important to remember that most people are not as cynical as I am.
As an employer, though, that advice is interesting... because really, it seems kind of shitty to say "I'm sorry bob, but it turns out that Joe is just three times more effective than you are. I think he's just smarter." which is what I'd say if I really was giving the unvarnished truth. I mean, a lot of times, there isn't really much Bob could do about it; he's just not as smart as Joe is; it's not really his fault.
but my instinct, when I don't know what the right thing to say, is to just tell the truth, so your advice appeals to me. but it just seems like this is one of those 'does my butt look big' situations where keeping my damnfool mouth shut is the best option.
Is this what you would want to hear? How would you feel if the boss told you someone else was three times as effective as you were and you disagreed with that assessment?
>That way the person let go knows whether and how to adjust their performance going forward at their next job so they're more likely to survive that company's inevitable layoffs.
As an employee, I say that you always want to be in the first round of layoffs. The severance is usually best at that point, and even if the company did a good job and fired the people who were, say, half as productive, those people did some work, and that work still needs to get done. Guess who gets to do it? You! the "Lucky" person who didn't get laid off!
I've never gotten the axe in a layoff... I've been fired, but that's a different thing. More than once I've ended up quitting after the first or second round of layoffs because the company expected me to work twice as hard for the same money (and no possibility of a raise) with half the support I had before.
[+] [-] CCs|10 years ago|reply
https://www.manager-tools.com/map-universe/organizational-ev...
I like Manager-Tools because it is step-by-step and actionable. Does not say "think out of the box" (how?), it gives you exact words that have worked for 1000s of companies.
BTW, performance based layoff list might be a legal issue in some case, for example when the reason is workforce reduction. Without a good lawyer don't go there...
[+] [-] thaumasiotes|10 years ago|reply
[+] [-] EnderMB|10 years ago|reply
The best advice I can give as someone on the other side is to:
1. Do it quickly. Tell them right away that they have been made redundant, and that it is non-negotiable. Let them know that it is not of any fault of their own, and that they will be allowed to interview whenever they please. Being made redundant sucks, not just because you're out of a job, but because you often feel that if you were better at your job the company wouldn't have had to make cutbacks.
2. If you make someone redundant during work hours, make sure they leave the office at the end of the day. I've worked in companies where employees were made redundant at around 2-3pm and then asked to return to their desk to carry on work. This was a huge problem for everyone in the office, as that person was still working to a deadline, and was asked by the manager to (paraphrasing) "stop moping, and get on with your work".
3. If you know anyone looking to hire in roles you are making redundant, let that person know that you know someone who would be great at the role, and let that person know that you'll write them a glowing recommendation.
[+] [-] abraham_s|10 years ago|reply
[+] [-] balls187|10 years ago|reply
The first start up I worked at, had a pretty tough rounds of layoffs. One of the engineers found a home at a startup that was backed by the same VC. Eventually as the first startup went under, he laid the ground work for some of us to transition over to his dev team.
[+] [-] HenryTheHorse|10 years ago|reply
* Put paperwork in place - termination, contracts, final settlement, dues etc etc - get those facts together in writing.
* Have a schedule for each affected employee's "exit" interview. No "send so-and-so in". That can be very stressful for the employee. Instead, set up a calendar invite and talk.
* If any employees are remote, have a video-conference so they can SEE your face.
* Go through the process as quickly as possible - ideally, all announcements within the same day.
* Have a "script" for the interview. This should include the announcement, the reason and the next steps (HR, benefits, payroll, equipment). Don't be needlessly cryptic/dishonest about the reasons behind the firings. Layoffs occur for ONE reason only: finance. So tell your employees the basic facts, but you are not obligated to share ALL the gory details. Simply saying "Our financials are the reason why we are doing this and I am sorry this will impact you and many others" is good enough.
* Be patient during the interviews. Don't rush it. Every laid-off employee thinks this has to do with them personally, when it's not. So take your time to explain, sympathize, offer help and guidance.
* Don't forget to reach out to the non-affected employees after the process. They too are running scared and deserve compassion.
I also personally reached out to all affected employees a few weeks after the layoffs to see how they were doing. Nearly ALL of them had jobs, which was awesome. This may or may not work in every scenario, so YMMV.
[+] [-] davidglauber|10 years ago|reply
I've never been laid off from a real job, just from a temp one where the owner was a jerk. Few things I can think of: 1) Try, with you best efforts, to help the folks you lay off to get other jobs. Recommend & refer them to those you see relevant. Make sure they get advice from their direct boss about what the should/better/could do next, and try to get your company waling their hand thro.
2) Clarify the situation quickly. People hate to get these news but rumors running around are much worse.
3) Some managers afraid try to detach their compassion to cut this awful mission fast. This is not the time to pull the authoritative boss too much. You're already sending them, try to show warmth.
4) Keep in touch with the best employees you have to let go. Try to hire some of the in the future if you can. If will be a great closure.
5) Can you send them away with something? A course to develop their skills towards the next job? a gift? few meetings with career coach for each laid off employee? (you can but that at bulk)
Best of luck!