_andromeda_'s comments

>Mexican culture is ingrained deeply into America and we are all better for it.

How is this the case? Multiculturalism is not necessarily a good thing.

I'm reminded of Thiel's The Diversity Myth. We no longer question whether some of these statements are true. Diversity is not necessarily a good thing and sometimes it can actually be detrimental by allowing for the tolerance of mediocre standards in a society.

Uber has provided enormous value to consumers everywhere. The efficiency Uber has brought to consumers greatly outweighs any perceived inefficiencies. I attribute it to the great leadership style of Travis Kalanick.

I think Travis receives a lot of backlash because of envy. Many a people think Uber is a stupidly simple idea that they themselves could have done and as such hate on Travis for doing it first, fast and well.

W00t! W00t! Can't help but admire the Swiss. Their embracing of capitalism and the closest thing to laissez-faire should be emulated by all.

>which are stealing the entire US economy out from under us.

How so?

The only stealing going on is that targeted at the wealthy. High taxes and innumerable regulations are an atrocity. Inflation is even more atrocious.

However, here's what Keynesian economics proponents never get; even though you try to rob the rich by currency devaluation, you end up doing quite the opposite and that is actually hurt the poor who are the worst affected by inflation all while saying that in the end, we're all dead anyway.

>What the hell does "sufficient" look like?

Exactly what President Trump has done. Impose a ban until it can be figured out, what the hell is going on.

Yes but all others weren't legitimized because of the popular vote. It was because of the electoral college. If ever there was a problem with the current system, you should have fixed it then and not complain now that Trump won.

>You said you weren't from America, so I can understand if most of your knowledge about America comes from the news, rather than a view of the facts over a timeframe longer than last week.

Surely that's a low blow or as Watson might phrase it, a wang bang and you know it.

I already said I'm not an American. I do however support Trump. I read many of his books right out of high school and I'm re-reading The Art of the deal.

I see a global shift to the right wing going forward. I mean can you believe that in France the Socialist party stands no chance because even the French, yes the French cannot stand what the left has done.

I'm glad people from all races have woken up and are saying no to unrestricted immigration, no to excessive taxes and regulation, no to welfare states, and no to egalitarianism. Luckily, this transcends racism. It is about reason as Ayn Rand would put it.

What? Why would you even ask that?

Do you want America to be like France where because of insufficient immigration controls they get an attack every so often from these Islamic immigrants?

>Are you aware of how large America's population is, and how small 50,000 people is relative to the U.S. and to the size of normal annual immigration?

That is not the point. I'm simply stating that lately America has been less strict with the caliber of immigrants allowed in and the DV program best exemplifies it.

Clearly whatever is being done is insufficient and that's why there are attacks by Islamists. As such Trump has decided to be more proactive. He needs more support and accolades for being brave enough to do what's needed even though it is controversial.

>Most naturalised citizen vote democratic

Doesn't that mean something to you? It is no wonder many democrats want even more immigrants. Look at a state such as California...

27% of California's population was foreign born, about twice the US percentage.

Don't you think these politicians are aware of this and it is undoubtedly the reason they want even more immigrants? It has nothing to do with caring for other humans for them. It is all about increasing the number of democrats as much as possible irregardless of whether it is good for the country or not. Don't let them take you for a ride.

>Steve Jobs was the son of Syrian immigrants

These occurrences will be there from time to time but look at how and when these immigrants came to America.

There was a time when it was much harder to come to America and that meant that only the best people went to America. Not just everyone and anyone. The DV lottery program was the beginning of the end for the right kind of immigration to America.

When I look at the caliber of people that actually made it to America from my country before this was introduced, man, they were smart, hardworking and any country losing them to America felt the pinch. Now, the DV program has been sending just about anyone regardless of whether they were adding value to America. It is an indicator that it is on longer understood that even though immigration is good, it is only as good as the caliber of people you let in.

Who should be let in you ask? Those seeking education, expatriates, entrepreneurs, scientists etc. Not everyone.

It may not be so as it is but left to the devices of Trump's detractors, the ultimate goal is to be as limitless as you can.

Even if that isn't the case, can you honestly say we live in times where we can ignore that more needs to be done? To me, it is absolutely binary; either you think more should be done or you don't.

The real debate here is whether Trump's ban constitutes doing what's necessary and I say yes.

No name calling please. I'm very much sane and the furthest thing from a deplorable so to speak.

Please tell me we're not ignoring that most terrorism is Muslim affiliated. That, coupled with the fact that there have been many attacks all over the world by Muslim terrorists leads me to ask a simple question, does it then not make sense to ban people from largely Muslim countries until more can be done to thwart these attacks?

Should nothing be done according to you?

As for that woman, that is an edge case and it can be tolerated for now until travelers on transit can be isolated more carefully in the future. For now, the ban must be employed because more important things are at stake here i.e. security.

>How exactly is a woman that is not allowed to exit the terminal

>If you want Trump to "be an example for other countries", how should the woman ever get to Costa Rica, considering Costa Rica <-> Iran is probably not popular enough to warrant a direct flight?

I would suggest that they be stopped before coming to America in the first place. Let them use another route until authorities can figure out what the hell is going on. America is after all high on extremists' target priority lists.

Don't use this small instance of this woman to discredit the entire ban on these 7 nations' emigrants.

Ha ha. I'm no Donald. I just like the guy. I think he makes a lot of sense and many many Americans agree and support him BIGLY.

Like I said, it's a temporary ban to allow the President and his team to figure things such as these out.

It is also an edge case that can be overlooked because there are other routes to get to her desired destination.

She is an Iranian. You and I don't know her. We cannot speak to her credibility. We cannot even speak to the credibility of an actual American who goes to Iran and comes back after a spending some time there let alone hers. How can you know whether she is radicalized unless you're absolutely careful about who comes into your country? These things are happening and cannot be sugarcoated or denied any longer. Something must be done and I for one am glad that Trump is setting such a great example for all other countries.

First of all, anyone can learn about anything now. Everything is everywhere now so you cannot lie to anyone about what America is like or what it isn't like. I suggest you forfeit that line of argument.

Secondly, riddle me this; do more immigrants vote for the party that promises more government welfare or less government welfare? I don't even know where you're going with this.

Finally, no one believes that resources aren't finite and as such it isn't a zero-sum game more than I do. However, when you have speak of how the wealthy/corporations should pay more taxes and those taxes should go to fund more welfare...clearly that's a mindset that says things are scarce and that it is a zero-sum game. One party says expropriate from producers to fund welfare the other says reduce regulation and taxes to incentivise more production. One has a producer mindset, the other has a consumer mindset.

I am against indiscriminate immigration policies.

There are always trade-offs. For every good immigrants such as your folks, there are those who are utterly destructive. This is just a fact. Therefore, you cannot be careless about who comes into your country. Some people just don't want the same things that you do. They prefer chaos because after death, they will meet their maker and get rewarded for their fundamentalism.

It then becomes a question of, do you accept the downside if the upside is as mundane as perceived goodwill. I think not.

I repeat, not all can be saved and for that matter, not all want to be saved. Some of them actually hate America and as soon as they are in, they will hurt Americans on purpose.

How do you suppose you can deal with radicalized immigrants if you're indiscriminate about immigration?

It is a temporary ban first of all.

Secondly, it is not just about security. It is also about welfare.

I'm not a proponent of welfare but if you must have it, then you cannot possibly combine that with unrestricted immigration because the logical outcome of that is a population full of immigrants on welfare voting themselves more welfare. Is that how America was built? No. It was built by hard working intelligent people to a country that is the envy of many today.

I'd like to know why anyone thinks America owes anyone anything?

The ban is absolutely necessary. You Americans have a great country but you're going to ruin it if you don't take your time to listen to Trump.

There is no way that unchecked immigration is a good thing for any country in the world let alone America.

I've heard what has been said about how immigration made America what it is today - great. However, immigration should be based on whether the immigrant will add value to your country. If an immigrant is coming to set up a business, do further studies and other positive things like that, then by all means provide them with a way to come in.

However, if there's a threat of terrorism from the immigrant or if they aren't adding value but will instead be recipients of welfare all I can ask is, WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?

How can you sustain this? You cannot save everyone in the world. You just can't. The best you can do is help them from a camp in their own country and even then, it's your choice as a country that has fair elections.

Why did you even have these elections if you're going to disallow the president that you yourselves chose in FAIR elections to do his jobs. Is there anything new that Trump is doing that he did not promise his voters he would do? If not, then you're saying that the majority of the people that chose Trump don't deserve to be heard and that only your views matter.

And don't even get me started on that business of, 'we didn't vote for him...he didn't get the popular vote'.

Why is it okay for previous presidents who won in the electoral college to be legitimized but not Trump? This is absolutely UNFAIR and selfish of anti-Trumpians. Remember, you take away California and Trump actually wins the popular vote anyway. To me, this is a clear indication that one state wants to bully the rest of the country into doing things their way and their way only. So UNFAIR.

Without getting into my country of origin, I will tell you this; we too are building a wall to stop illegal aliens from a neighboring Muslim country from getting in. These fundamentalists are really terrible human beings. We have lost so many lives to their suicide attacks. Friends and families losing their loved ones to these actions. I remember a time we were so scared of the attacks that we had to close offices in the daytime when working and verify you knew who was knocking on the door before letting them in. It was a terrible time and with a recent attack, last week to more precise, the fear is coming back. I just wish we had finished putting up our wall by now and that it was as strong as the proposed American one.

People have to be responsible for their own country. They have to build their own countries and stop the fundamentalism.

Doesn't the federal government have enough on its plate? It seems like this insatiable beast that won't stop until it has taken over every last bit of personal liberty and freedom including what and how to think. That is the fear.