zarqan's comments

The decline after 2015 is due to the kinetic phase of the conflict ending around that time. Low-intensity mutual shelling was carried out afterwards for the whole duration of the conflict. The entire post-2015 period only accounts for 10.6% of all civilian deaths. The active phase of the Russian-backed insurrection was undeniably the most lethal & most destructive.

The imbalance in casualties after the frontlines were frozen is an interesting observation. The post-2015 lines of contact ran roughly along the edges of the capital cities of the self-proclaimed rebel republics, as both entities failed to secure more viable & defensible borders. On the other hand, there were no comparable government-held settlements anywhere near the line of contact. In this situation, any kind of fighting would more adversely effect the side with the disadvantageous LoCs.

> From the report you linked

Thanks for citing the relevant part. It shows OP is clearly wrong about "14k civilians killed".

> These monthly reports by the OHCHR give a breakdown of the specific causes and locations of casualties. From an earlier report:

> The bulk of civilian casualties since 2014 has been in the rebel regions and inflicted by Ukrainian government forces.

Again, this is another misrepresentation of facts. You are quoting a single monthly report with 3 civilians killed (in total), and are attempting to mislead by 1) extrapolating it to the entire conflict since 2014 and 2) asserting the "bulk" of casualties to be inflicted by Ukraine (The UN report makes no such assertion whatsoever).

In 2014, frontlines were highly fluid - going that far back, the term "rebel regions" is essentially meaningless since the borders of these entities did at one point reach Slovyansk (a city that remains under Ukrainian control to this day).

> But just imagine Merkel would say (in 2010) Goebbels is now a "Hero of Germany for "defending national ideas and battling for an independent German state

Germany is a poor example for your point. Both the German government and the German federal army still honour Col. Stauffenberg as a "role model" (Here is an article from a 2019 ceremony commemorating the attempted 20 July coup where they clearly state this: https://www.dbwv.de/aktuelle-themen/blickpunkt/beitrag/regie... - it's in German, but you can use google translate). Note that Stauffenberg - despite his attempted coup - never repudiated fascism, antisemitism, or German militarism. Same goes for other well-known European politicians e.g. "father of the Austrian Republic" Karl Renner, an anti-semite who opposed the return of Jews even after the reestablishment of independent Austria post-WWII. In general, many interwar European "national role models" were unreconstructed racists who held abhorrent beliefs.

> It's not irrelevant if a massive amount of your population thinks your better then others and being a nazi is a good thing, and peoples from Donetsk are subhumans. Then they forbid to teach russian in schools, and russian speaking -> Ukrainian channel's had to switch language, same with newsletter's (i think that was 2019), really that's not nationalist bullshit??

The law in question sets quotas for the use of Ukrainian in official media outlets & education, and mandates the use of Ukrainian as a national language. The UN produced a report on the law [1], and notes that "Many of the controversial points were subsequently addressed in the final version". The law does not ban Russian (or any other minority language) in any way.

Many democratic states in the EU incl. France, Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania have language policies which are arguably harsher & much more restrictive than anything implemented in Ukraine. In particular, France is especially aggressive in enforcing the use of French in public & commercial settings and actively issues fines to companies that do not abide by the language law.

[1] https://ukraine.un.org/sites/default/files/2020-07/2019.09.1...

> objective truth about the conflict and point to UN observers (OSCE) data on the the continuous bombing of Donbass in the past 8 years (14k civillians killed according to western numbers

This is a misrepresentation of facts at best. The "14k" figure being cited here is the total sum of all casualties [1], including 4.400 Ukrainian soldiers and 6.500 Russian & pro-Russian militants. The number of civilian casualties during the entire conflict is 3.404, 8.8% of which are actually attributed to a single incident: The shootdown of MH17 in 2014, where all 298 passangers on board were killed after the aircraft was shot down by Russian militants.

[1] https://ukraine.un.org/sites/default/files/2022-02/Conflict-...